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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

EDIT: no, I don't sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they're losing an argument ;)

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (4 children)

stop being anticommunists and this problem is resolved

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Tankies aren't real Communists

Sucking the dick of authoritarian regimes does not make you communist

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Heaven forbid an actually existing place on the planet actually make some real tangible gains for its people while necessarily suppressing threats

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's "threats" and there's "anyone remotely criticising the regime"

There are some tangible gains in these places but also significant losses for the freedoms and rights of their residents

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

They don't/didn't suppress criticism, that's a myth

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hell yeah there's that lib homophobia, 1 milimeter below the surface at all times

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm bi but no go ahead, call me a homophobe for making a dick joke :p

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Then you should know better than to be homophobic as a substitute for saying anything interesting. Self-reflection would probably help you to not embarass yourself in the future.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which Communist regimes would say are the "real" communists? Because if you think (as many do) that every single mass movement that described itself as "communist" was bad, then I suspect you're not a communist at all.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not communist, but I do observe that many of the existing "communist" states seem to be just authoritarianism disguised as the common good

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All nation states are authoritarian disguised as the common good.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

yeah, exactly. which raises the question of why china specifically infuriates certain people to the exclusion of all other discussion.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why does it always go to homophobia with these types

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Idk where the homophobia is, I'm partial to sucking the odd dick myself, just not Mao Zedong or Vladimir Putin :p

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"umm actually I used it as an insult because it's a good thing!"

How do you people survive the cognitive dissonance necessary to convince yourself you're not being bigoted?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Real Communism exists only in the pure and untouched ethereal plane of your mind palace.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I support whatever this is so idk what that makes me

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Celebrating an increase in life expectancy from 30 to 40 years old is not remotely the win you think it is.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (49 children)

I'm celebrating the increase in life expectancy from 35 to higher than that of the US, actually, which is the win I think it is.

The point is not the immediate increase in that specific 5 year period, the point is the clear trend of rapid, long term increases after a long period of stagnation, with the pivitol turning point being exactly when the CPC came to power. You're supposed to look at the whole graph.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

My god he can't read a graph. How has our educational system been allowed to fail for this long?

I'm not committed at all to China as the salvation of the communist project, but it's exactly this sort of self-imposed illiteracy and ignorance, and nearly religious faith in the inferiority and duplicity of The Orient that makes me default to distrusting anything negative a cracker says about it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Careful calling those regimes authoritarian. Hexbears like to attack this point by assigning a slightly different definition to authoritarian and then either (a) claim that all governments are "authoritarian" or (b) blame liberals for using this word to demonize socialist states. I once saw someone cite https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Authoritarianism to "prove" that those states are not authoritarian.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Not by "assigning a slightly different definition", just by applying the definition consistently, rather than using the us-foreign-policy standard.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah yes, doge-firefox, please tell me how consistent your beliefs are lmao

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did you just ad hominimem this poor LIB ?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I strawmanned ad hominined logical fallacied all over them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's worse than just that. They argue that acknowledgement of Stalin's atrocities is Holocaust denial.

They are so scared and insecure they will lash out against anything that slightly challenges their beliefs. If they post sources it will be misreadings of fringe groups, or conveniently ignoring facts. Like how they believe tiananmen square wasn't a big deal because the China killed about 300 people a mile away. Or how Cuba is a utopia even though it's citizens chose to get run over by the coast guard instead of living there.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They argue that acknowledgement of Stalin's atrocities is Holocaust denial.

No, we argue that equating the bad things the soviet union did to the holocaust is holocaust trivialization, which is a take from mainstream liberal historians. Because the bad things the soviet union did were tiny compared to the holocaust and pretty tame compared to the other Allies.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As ever, actual Jewish Holocaust scholars agree with us

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

Today is September 3, 2023 and Joseph Stalin saved the world from fascism.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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