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I don't really think a country, where half of the population support a terrorist group, that recently performed one of the worst attacks on innocent people the world has seen in a long time, really has the right to claim any moral high ground.
Neither do the rest of us on the list.
We just full on support it and give weapons to people who have already proven they do not care about innocents
Yeah supporting any side in this conflict or acting like one side is good and the other is bad is just too simplistic.
Giving any side more weapons, isn't going to bring a long term peaceful solution.
The only way out is with negotiations, not with more violence. Both parties need to make concessions.
The other "half" are who I care about. They're getting killed by Israel non descriminately, while, Hamas( a group Palestinians don't care for, who has taken control of Gaza by force)ignores their needs.
Also worth questioning exactly why Hamas is so ascendant compared to the much more peaceful PLO... Not saying there weren't still problems back then but nothing, nothing like this
Do you condemn american natives who attacked settlers ? There are no innocents in a settler colonial project, that's like calling a card-carrying member of the Nazi party an innocent.
The native jews are a very small minority. Most of those "innocent" chose to be there and partake in this genocidal apartheid state.
Israel has no right to self defence, because it has no right to exist. If the Jews have to have a state (which isn't necessarily a good thing as it gave European countries an excuse to not tolerate them as they could always "go back home"), why not put that state in Germany ? You know, a country that actually did something to them.
On the other hand, the UN recognized the right of the Palestian people to fight against the Israeli occupation, which was explicitly described as an apartheid state on the same level as South Africa at the time.
You have no idea how history work. How do you think anti-colonial partisans all around the world were treated by the occupying press ? It's never "people legitimately fighting for their country", always "unjustified targeting of 'civilians' and 'state officials'".
Israel isn't there to protect Jews or any such fantasies. Jews lived in Palestine before the colonial project, and they will continue to live there after it.