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Are you saying that China doesn't censor or try to hide this? Can I just go to Tienanmen square and start talking to locals about what happened there and they'll openly talk about how awful it was?
What do you think happened at Tienanmen Square? Because you might want to figure that out before you start grinning like a moron while asking a Chinese person about "how awful what happened at Tienanmen Square was".
I don't understand what you're trying to get at here. Are you suggesting there was no massacre?
Not at Tienanmen Square. Confirmed by western reporters at the scene along with contemporary US diplomatic cables later leaked by Wikileaks. Western media is really attached to that image of the guy in front of a tank, so everyone just pretends it was the site of a mass murder. Really odd.
It's really not that odd.
It is. The only evidence of a massacre of protestors in Tienanmen Square presented in that article is Wu'erkaixi's claim that he saw 200 people shot, but he had actually left the protests hours before the final protestors left, and literally everyone else present (including western journalists) says that the last protestors left peacefully.
Edit: Here's an overview from the former Beijing bureau chief of The Washington Post, who was in Beijing covering the protests in 1989.
This sounds like straight up Chinese state propaganda trying to down play the massacre to the point it didn't happen.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/g36621881/tiananmen-square-massacre-photos/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/03/sacred-day-chinese-remember-tiananmen-killings-by-fasting
You could read the article.
Still waiting to hear where you got that "people run down by tanks" thing.
While we're on the subject of propaganda: what was it that made you believe China "ran down its own citizens with tanks"? What is the actual source of this belief.
"I saw a picture of a man in front of a tank, and we all know how evil chinese people are, so it's not hard to figure out what happened."
That's my assumption, yes.