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Unironically better urban planning there than anywhere in Burgerland
Ok. I'm sure citizens in the gulag care how good the zoning committee is.
The US has a higher proportion of its population in the gulag than North Korea does.
Both are bad systems. What are you trying to accomplish here?
You pointed out North Korea's prison population as a counter to their superior urban planning to the USA, but they also have a lower prison population.
The difference being there is a modicum of due process in the US.
Lmao cops will open fire on you and any bystanders for petty theft, there may be due process if you live to see court.
Every arrest isnt a homicide. It is problematic, but let's not exaggerate.
Oh you mean like George Floyd got?
Do you know what modicum means?
Is it a byword for "largest system of prison slavery in the world?"
Interesting assertion, care to substantiate it?
I'm not really in the business of sourcing things to users from an instance that is basically a Sealioning factory.
Ultimately, I will get told I don't understand economics until I've read all three volumes of Das Kapital. Ironically, it's no different that libertarians saying you don't understand economics unless you've read the works of Milton Friedman, or more importantly, Ayn Rand.
You can't accuse people of sealioning in a conversation you chose to participate in; it's not sealioning to expect you to actually back up your assertion.
You literally, not figuratively, just made up an argument to refute. Want to talk about reddit debate fallacies, how about straw men.
No, because Hexbear users don't debate in good faith so it's a waste of time.
How convenient for you.
You've spent your life steeped in capitalist ideology, but have you read any socialist theory? Your comments continue to demonstrate your complete ignorance of what we're talking about, so why are you talking about things you fundamentally don't understand? Is something being complicated evidence of it being wrong somehow? Why do you think being given book recommendations is so unreasonable? Do you want to understand us or not? Is your brain too rotted by the internet providing immediate gratification at all times for you to read?
No, I have done plenty of research but I appreciate your concern.
What specifically related to socialism?
Whatever it is, it would never be enough for someone from Hexbear.
Try me
They can't. Every single one of these libs keep saying they have sources but at most will link fucking wikipedia then say that anyone who disagrees just isn't discussing things in "good faith" or whatever bullshit
Ignoring how funny it is to use the russian word for prison in Korea, in America you get gulag and no urban planning
So you agree both the US and North Korea prison systems need reform.
Where'd I say the DPRK needs prison reform? Hard to assert such a thing without knowing it's actual conditions.
"Without knowing it's actual conditions"
Exactly, there is no freedom of the press there, ya know, like an autocracy.
"They have no freedom there because my rulers told me so"
What does "freedom of the press" mean here in
? Is it a freedom enjoyed by you or I or any other common person, has it ever been?
The answer to these questions is no, the freedom of the press is freedom only for those who own the printing presses and that freedom is the freedom to use the press as a megaphone for views and ideas that help them and those in the same class
It always goes back to the material conditions and who owns the means of production
USA has 20% of the world prison population
fucking imperialist crimes against humanity denialist, the number is 22%
I said 20 so they whould not try to nitpick