Edit: good to see I woke the shills
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Yeah, it was horrible. No war in the Ukraine, no war in Israel, houses were affordable and gas was under $2/gal. Absolutely despicable.
Do you exist purely in the present with no knowledge of how past actions create future problems?
I legitimately don't think they do. Hence why when Trump got elected they said he was fixing the economy day one... because it was going up... from the things Obama did...
They really can't grasp that it's not always who is president on that date. Or that somethings aren't caused by them.
Yep, like they lack object permanence.
Are you saying Trump's $2 gas caused the war in Ukraine?
Are you saying Biden caused the war in Ukraine and Trump caused $2 gas, without causing $3-4 gas today?
Do you understand that the economy has momentum that takes years to fully manifest? We don't live in a command economy, lmao.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/three-things-biden-has-done-that-increased-gas-prices
Holy shit you're legitimately a lunatic, to be referencing fucking WE as a source.
Either way, nothing you've pointed to means Trump's terrible economic choices for short term gains and long term disaster didn't also impact gas prices, or even the majority of the impact.
Please, keep consuming anti-science brainrot and continue to persist in your white-supremacist echo chamber. I'm sure one day you'll hate your way into happiness!
But Biden DID clamp down on domestic drilling (and canceled the Keystone pipeline). Is it anti-science to say that reducing the supply of a good will inevitably lead to rising prices?
You can argue that he did it for a good reason (to protect the environment and increase the sales of electric vehicles, for example), but you can't argue that he didn't take those steps without being aware of the effect they would have on prices.
Sure, he did one thing that likely did impact gas prices. That does not in any way mean that Trump's fucking terrible economic policy isn't a thing. It's anti-science to deny climate change, which the WE does.
I never made the point that it didn't affect gas prices, you failed to deny Trump's impact on gas prices. This is how logic works, though I know it's difficult for you.
Huh? You argued here that Trump's $2 gas somehow caused Biden's $4 gas. That is patently false. Trump made decisions that increased domestic production, which lead to lower prices. Biden reversed those decisions, which drove the prices up again.
Again, we can argue about the environmental impact of those decisions all we want, but this is simple cause and effect. Arguing that Biden had no agency in the higher gas prices is nonsensical.
I did not argue that point. I claimed that Trump's dogshit economic policy was a major factor in today's inflation, but I understand that reading and logic don't come naturally to you. Trump made decisions that directly harmed the economy in the long run purely to make himself look better.
We cannot argue about environmental impact, it's a fact. The fact that you even suggest that it's arguable proves your own lack of intelligence, the same as you pretending I claimed Biden had no impact.
Deflection, ad hominem, deflection, ad hominem. Do you have any actual arguments?
You said, and I quote "Do you understand that the economy has momentum that takes years to fully manifest? We don't live in a command economy, lmao."
As soon as Biden came into office, he canceled the pipeline and put a moratorium on oil leases. Within a matter of months, prices started rising. Are you really saying those two things had nothing to do with each other, or that Trump was somehow to blame for this?
Plenty, but they appear to go over your head as you constantly dodge and pull whataboutisms.
Yes, I said that.
Trump isn't to blame for Biden's impact on gas prices. At the same time, Biden isn't to blame for the disastrous economic policy of Trump that caused massive inflation and instilled purely incompetent people into stations like the Supreme Court. Gas prices have trajectory, if you can recognize that Biden has had a negative impact on gas prices then surely you can understand that Trump royally fucked the economy, along with Social Programs and steered the US towards fascism.
I'm not a Biden Stan, I think he's a shitty lib. Shitty libs are better than incompetent fascists.
I remember when Biden invaded Ukraine and told Israel to attack Gaza. That was after he pulled the 'housing price' and 'gas price' levers in the White House, of course.
Well, Biden hasn't done any of those things, but we need to accept the facts that he did block peace negotiations in Ukraine, he vetoed multiple ceasefires in Palestine, and he supported both conflicts by providing weapons.
I don't know if trump would have been better, but we gotta admit that Biden actively did a terrible job.
Biden's failings are more in what he allowed to happen through inaction rather than what he directly caused.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." — Hanlon's Razor
Hmm... which would I rather have, someone passive that doesn't directly cause problems or an unapologetic fascist who uses Hitler-style language in his speeches and promises to open concentration camps?
But I'm sure you're white, heterosexual, Christian and male, so you'll be fine.
Sounds like you have no problem with using racist language, as long as it isn't directed towards you. Hypocritical much?
What racist language? What are you talking about?
Oh, you didn't even notice?
Feel free to quote me. This should be interesting.
"But I'm sure you're white, heterosexual, Christian and male, so you'll be fine."
How is that not racist and sexist?
Because it's calling Trump and Republicans racist and sexist? They're the ones who want to oppress anyone who is not white, heterosexual, Christian and male.
Let me guess- it's racist to call someone a racist.
No, it's racist to want to attribute everything to race.
"You're white, therefore you want to oppress other people who aren't."
"Black people suffer because of the color of their skin."
Both statements are incredibly racist.
Well then it's a good thing I didn't attribute everything to race, isn't it?
You attributed my approval for Trump to race, when I had clearly stated it was due to his policies, not his words.
Nope. I didn't attribute your approval for Trump to anything. That is a lie. I said nothing about why you support Trump.
I said I hope you weren't any of those things, because if you are, Trump will oppress you.
This is a terrible attempt at gaslighting.
"But I'm sure you're white, heterosexual, Christian and male, so you'll be fine."
That's what you said. Stop trying to weasel out of it.
Yes, and that very clearly says nothing about why you support Trump.
Your gaslighting will not make me accuse you of what you claim I accused you of and I think you're aware of that, so I'm not sure why you're bothering.
Okay then. I'm done here.
Besides what you have already been told, there already was war in both Ukraine and Israel. Ukraine's open military conflict with Russia has been active since at least 2014, and Israel has been in conflict with Palestine and neighbours since its foundation following WW2.
Wesern media not covering them until it was relevant to the US national interests and them not happening are entirely different things.
Yes, Russia invaded Crimea during Obama's administration. Then, magically, during four years of Trump, they didn't do anything. As soon as Biden comes into office, they're back at it again. Weird how that works.
There were also no major incidents in Israel or Gaza during his term. Definitely no full scale invasion. Oh, but those mean tweets!
Sorry about your friend, but I'm pretty sure a lot more Ukrainians died since Biden came into office than during Trump's term.
So you want COVID back? Because that was clearly Trump's fault.
Every country got Covid, basically. You know that, right?
Obviously. But Trump was president so he was in charge.
If your bit was sarcasm, then that makes more sense. Trump was not particularly good on Covid, but we would have had a big problem regardless of who was president at the time.
How so? Did he tell China to release the virus?
I'm basically making fun of you for equating correlation with causation.
Not very bright, are you?
Hey pal, you just blow in from stupid town?