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Hey OP, comunistm is great on paper because it doesn't take into consideration the human nature. Humans are corruptible, no matter who, and even the best of us would be corrupted when it comes to someone they love. This alone breaks the comunist stance because you can't have fairness when one human is responsable for managing/governing. Comunism would work if there was no hierarchy between humans, no one more powerful. Maybe if some aliens come or if some AI evolve enough to govern, but that's is not today's world
Edit: I do think the US level of captalism is horrible. Maybe begin with just SOME socialist policies, like free healthcare and univesities, that would already improve so much the lifes of americans
This is the definition of a dictatorship, not communism
True, also the only exemple of comunism ever
I don't think that adding capitalism to dictatorships improves anything though.
Communism/Capitalism/Socialism = Economic Ideas
Dictatorship/Monarchy/Democracy = Political Systems
Hey Commenter, it sounds like you only have a surface level understanding of Communism, i suggest you read some theory. Communism very much takes human greed into account, its kind of its whole point.
You are right I really don't, but not all theory translates well into reality. How would a country of milions manage all that without hierarchy? I'm not going against you I'm just trying to understand how would this work without a dictatorship and considering that humans are not trustworthy
You seem to be at least a little bit interested, I suggest you watch some videos on youtube so you understand it better, the channel Second Thought would be a good place to start.
I'll try to answer your concerns below:
The current ideology of society is the ideology of its rulling class.
Human nature, if anything is much more about collaboration and collective effort than greed, that's how it has been for most of human history.
That is to say, we precisely see so much greed everywhere because we live in a system that heavily incentivizes individuality and greed. From the way we are taught to the media we consume, it's literally everywhere. We are heavily influenced to think and see things in this particular individualistic way.
A society that puts human needs and collective effort above profits have a different way of viewing and interacting with the world than the way we do in capitalist societies. Besides that, if your concern is people abusing power, there should be mechanisms in place to account for that.
My knowledge on this whole topic is not deep, but I guess something you could look up is democratic centralism to understand how hierarchy works in a marxist-leninist socialist state.
Also, my understanding is that marxist theory is only dogmatic in relation to it's method, as everything else about it adapts to the reality and the material conditions of the time and place it is to be put into practice.
Agreed! That's why I think it would be better if the workers ran things, instead of a few corrupt CEOs.
I would say that you have left your society and government open to the inevitably of corruption when you place the power in one person's hands. I've been advocating for elected councils to run the system. It's not impossible to corrupt an elected council, one needs look no further than the US Congress, or whatever they call the CCP massive room of people. I would propose that just having a council is not enough, one also needs to have a more robust voting system such as Ranked Choice Voting, or another runoff system so that you don't end up with a choice between two shit sandwiches. We also need to abolish policing, as it is currently done, as a career. I'm not certain how to fix this one, and perhaps we can't without actual incorruptible androids and AI.
The real issue is that we the people have tried to implement these changes only for the rich old fossils to refuse the will of the people. Just look at what is happening with Measure 1&2 in Ohio.
I don't think there is an imediate solution. Humams can not be trusted with power, it's human nature. I see only 2 ways, either someone/thing else does it or, a more realistic one, technology becomes so powerful that we can manage the managers, monitoring their actions/choices (and voting?! maybe?!) Idk, but remember that tech is a sword and not a knife, if it monitors them.they would also monitor us.
Anyway there is no simple solution. Captalism as is today and comunism as is today are both bad options.