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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The factory has owners.

Fuck the owners.

but all systems describing this type of agreement to date have resulted in terrible outcomes.

Prove it.

It will destroy competition.

What competition?

a high value to society are not rewarded

What value does Donald Trump bring to society?

The incentive is gone.

Prove it.

These are issues that no text has reconciled.

Prove it.

work if you brainwashed people generationally

You mean completely unlike people brainwashed into believiing "capitalism gud?"

Having possessions is such a basic human construct

Stop conflating simple possessions with private property, genius.

why socialism as a whole crumbles.

Socialism seems perfectly alive and kicking to me - despite the uncountable amounts of treasure spent violently crushing it.

See my reply later in this thread for examples of ~~real incremental changes.~~ no change whatsoever.

FTFY.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fuck the owners.

Fine

Prove it (terrible outcomes for socialism)

The USSR, Cuba, PRC is better but for some reason they are very authoritarian.

What competition?

Granted there are many industries that don't have good competition, but the vast majority do. Look at clothes makers, construction, pharma.

What value does Donald Trump bring to society?

He bought real estate where there was more demand than people expected, and took advantage of that. There was no apartments in the empty plot before Trump Tower, now there is and people want them.

Prove it. (innovation)

The USSR did have great amounts of innovation in the beginning, but once you get to a certain point, it just gets pretty much impossible. Look at the second person's answer.

Prove it (reconcile)

While it is dumb to say that there are no texts to reconcile these issues. It is crazy how the USSR didn't implement any solution except rewarding innovation to drive innovation. I'd say that is enough evidence to say with confidence that there are no existing solutions to the mentioned issues.

You mean completely unlike people brainwashed into believiing “capitalism gud?”

Sure there is some brainwashing in the right where they think capitalism is great in and of itself. I think that people also recognize that capitalism needs some good amount of regulation that would curb the failures there. It's not perfect as it exists now, but it sure as shit better than any socialist or communist nation.

Socialism seems perfectly alive and kicking to me - despite the uncountable amounts of treasure spent violently crushing it.

If you're gonna make enemies with the most powerful nation in the world, that usually happens. The USA saw a threat to their influence and took action.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The USSR, Cuba, PRC is better

You're going to have to name examples where the working class actually controls the means of production - it can't actually be socialism otherwise, can it?

Granted there are many industries that don’t have good competition

Funny... it's almost as if capitalists talk about "competition" a lot to justify their parasitic existence - but in reality they absolutely seem to hate the idea of competition. Must be purely my imagination, though.

He bought real estate

In other words... nothing. Do you have any real examples of capitalists being anything other than parasites?

The USSR did have great amounts of innovation

The USSR allowed the innovation that suited the CPSU's interests. In the exact same way, the US only allows innovation that suits the interests of the ruling elites - that's why you can buy an expensive new smartphone every month but you can't buy a cheap lightbulb that will last you thirty years that is based on hundred-year-old technology. Humans do not require "incentivization* to innovate - in fact, capitalism's need to repress innovation that doesn't suit the interests of a capitalist elite is thoroughly understood.

It is crazy how the USSR didn’t implement any solution except rewarding innovation to drive innovation.

See the answer above.

I think that people also recognize that capitalism needs some good amount of regulation

The myth that you can "fix" capitalism through regulation is pure propaganda.

but it sure as shit better than any socialist or communist nation.

Nope. There are lots of people in the US that sure wishes they could have Cuba's healthcare system - and Cuba's healthcare system isn't even socialist nor communist.

If you’re gonna make enemies with the most powerful nation

The US is "most" at a lot of things - none of them are worth bragging about. And it has utterly failed to crush socialism even within it's own borders, never mind anywhere else in the world.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Anti-capitalism is not necessarily socialism or communism. Anti-capitalism does not necessarily imply supporting the USSR's particular policies. The mistake that the USSR and others made was not using market mechanisms when they make sense.
Trump participates in the systematic denial of people's equal claim to land and natural resources with his real estate empire. Land and natural resources should be commonly-owned.
There is no reason innovation can't be rewarded under postcapitalism

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Then... nothing.