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We've known how to very effectively recycle batteries for a long time now, it's just been far cheaper to mine new materials than to recycle existing ones
This article unfortunately doesn't really go into the economics of this process
Cheaper or carbon efficient (or both)? The problem we've run into is that the cheapest solution (therefore most profitable) has been our go-to solution. In the short term at least, reducing our carbon emissions will be expensive.
Reminds me of the great 'Helium' crisis that poofed out of existence once MSM realized that half the comments in every article were like 'No, it's just never been worth to capture it from fracking' lmfao.
I also like how posts like this presupose we want to recycle instead of REDUCE usage
These are not exclusive.
And yet we never hear about one of them
I mean I agree we need to reduce usage even more than we need to recycle, but it’s falling for the Nirvana fallacy to ignore the fact that recycling improvements still have enormous potential to help reduce the environmental impact.
The world doesn't run on fallacies. It runs on human attention. If everyone is sharing and posting about one thing then they aren't sharing and posting about another. There's only so much time in a day
When did this all or nothing way of thinking start in American culture? Has it always been like this and I'm just now noticing it, or is it much more prevalent now because it's a side effect of a lack of critical thinking skills
But you said there was a presupposition to recycling INSTEAD of reuse. They aren’t exclusive. You can rightly say “I wish we talked more about reduction instead of recycling” but there was no presupposition.
No they don't.
And also, if you think planet earth is going to all agree to stop having road transport and get rid of any battery devices, you're living in a fantasy world - batteries are needed, and they should be reused and recycled.
We are trying to reduce usage as well, it's just not as obvious.
Like sure, if you wanna say no more cars, it's not happening at that level, but all the chemistry improvements that increase the efficiency of the batteries is still a reduction.
We've reduced our need for Cobalt, some battery chemistries don't even use it anymore.
I think we're still settling in on what is the ideal range of a car for cost vs range, but we'll reach a point where an increase in performance leads to a reduction in cells used.
Solid state batteries will be a huge jump on that front sometime in the next decade probably.
I'm still baffled by the quantity of non rechargeable replaceable batteries out there. I have an automatic soap dispenser, it uses rechargable AA. But you know there are people out there still buying single use ones and swapping them multiple times a year.
Yeah and that's all fair. I just wish people cared enough to make the more effective method the primary one is all. No one really talks about or discusses reduction we're always hearing and learning about recycling
I'm close to exclusively using rechargeables, but some items simply can't get enough voltage.