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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

~~People don't have a problem with tankies because they want to use violence against fascists. Violence against fascists is fine.~~

~~People dislike tankies because they're reactionary assholes. They dislike them for cheer-leading unjustifiable abuses and failures because they believe we're in some zero-sum game that excuses it. Because they're extremists, oppressive authoritarians, and want to use violence against all of their ideological enemies, including the "wrong kinds" of communist.~~

~~The good things they believe in and do aren't what people have an issue with: it's the inexcusably bad parts of their ideology people don't like, and the fact they're obnoxious about it.~~

Edit: I stand by what I said, but apparently its easier to recognize flags when you expand the image ... and my rant had nothing to do with the post.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are you saying Antifa are tankies?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who is the tanky in the picture?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My bad eyes totally didn't see that was the antifa flag.

So nothing I said applies to this post ... whoops.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Kay I need to ask, how does Lemmy use tankie? I've always thought it meant people who are willing to use violence against capitalist. I have a feeling I'm wrong.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

AFAIK a tankie is someone who is a fan of authoritarian communism or socialism… I forget which but the key part is the authoritarianism part, I think.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, they're fans of the so-called "communism" of authoritarian countries like China and the USSR, which are about as communist as the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is democratic or a republic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Okay, gotcha. Tankie == historical communist. Tankie =/= neosocialist.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not necessarily, Leninists and OG Marxists usually don't get lumped in with Tankies - while Trotskists definitely should be. Tankies accept blatant authoritarianism as an acceptable cost to achieve socialism, non-Tankies reject authoritarian regimes.

... and super-Tankies are Pol Pot apologists.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Thank you! It's all about that authoritarianism.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Its not even their ideology, its the fact they defend murderous tyranical regimes and try to be apologetic, defensive or straight up deny that shit.