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[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

What your data shows is that the share of state in the economy has partially recovered in 2020's from ~30 to ~50%, after falling from 80% to 30% in the previous decade. Impressive, indeed, and way ahead of most capitalist countries - but China is home to numerous giant private megacorporations, and allows many companies from abroad to build in the country.

"Who holds power" is very abstract and is not part of definition of socialism or capitalism. Even still, we just talked about homelessness - if workers held all the power, would there be homeless? Would there be any poor at all? Would there be overheated markets, including housing, which is one of the craziest in the world? Would there be Tencent, Alibaba, etc.? Would there be billionaires? Etc. etc. What defines "workers holding power" for you?

What is it about some leftists desperately trying to put socialist label on capitalist China - a desperate attempt to demonstrate a mighty socialist economy in the modern world? Socialist countries have lost the Cold War and are mostly not on the map anymore; there are objective reasons to that, including the fact most of the world never moved away from socialism and capitalist forces had greater capital to work with, and this does not mean socialism is bad, but currently, socialism is not represented by any large economy. That's just the fact.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

“Who holds power” is very abstract and is not part of definition of socialism or capitalism.

Power isn’t abstract, and who holds it is definitional to socialism and capitalism, and to feudalism before them.

if workers held all the power, would there be homeless?

Not for the most part, no. In your imagined “capitalist” China, did you just assume that they have a homelessness crisis, without even checking? Because you’re unintentionally making our case for us.

Would there be any poor at all?

You can’t go from one of the poorest, least developed countries in the world to universal wealth overnight. But they have made unprecedented progress.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

You have an infantile understanding of what capitalism is. I recommend reading this article to get a bit of a perspective https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/