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How long will it be until we realize AI is detrimental to society? (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 month ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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Here in the USA, you have to be afraid for your job these days. Layoffs are rampant everywhere due to outsourcing, and now we have AI on the horizon promising to make things more efficient, but we really know what it is actually going to be used for. They want automate out everything. People packaging up goods for shipping, white collar jobs like analytics, business intelligence, customer service, chat support. Any sort of job that takes a low or moderate amount of effort or intellectual ability is threatened by AI. But once AI takes all these jobs away and shrinks the amount of labor required, what are all these people going to do for work? It's not like you can train someone who's a business intelligence engineer easily to go do something else like HVAC, or be a nurse. So you have the entire tech industry basically folding in on itself trying to win the rat race and get the few remaining jobs left over.....

But it should be pretty obvious that you can't run an entire society with no jobs. Because then people can't buy groceries, groceries don't sell so grocery stores start hurting and then they can't afford to employ cashiers and stockers, and the entire thing starts crumbling. This is the future of AI, basically. The more we automate, the less people can do, so they don't have jobs and no income, not able to survive...

Like, how long until we realize how detrimental AI is to society? 10 years? 15?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Society can exist without jobs, not everything has to be capital, in fact reaching a post scarcity world is needed for communism.

AI hype is also overblown as fuck, I remember watching the CGP grey video Humans Need not Apply, like what, 8 years ago? Haven't really achieved some epic breakthrough did we?

For me from a software engineers perspective, "AI" is nothing but a productivity tool, it reduces the amount of mundane work I have to do, but then so does the IDE I use.

as humans we have been automatic tasks for a long time, just think about your washing machine, you have any idea how hard it would be to have clean clothes without them? Do you think we would be better off if we needed cleaning services that clean our clothes for us using human labour just so people have jobs? Or is it better to use that effort elsewhere?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago

This is the part of the AI conversation that always bugs me. People have just concluded that the hype is real and we’ve reached the point that people fear in movies. They don’t understand that it’s mostly bullshit. Sure, the fancy autocomplete can toss up some boilerplate code and it’s mostly ok. Sure, it saves me time scrolling through StackOverflow search results.

But it’s simply not this all-knowing miracle replacement for everything. I think everyone has been conditioned by entertainment to fear the worst. When that bubble bursts, IT will be the part which wreaks havoc on the economy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

"AI" returns mathematically plausible results from its tokenized training data. That is the ONLY thing it does. It doesn't consider, it doesn't fact check itself. "AI" in its current state is a party trick.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago

No matter what, it helps me incredibly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago

Your last sentence diminishes the value of the first sentence. These LLMs save me a ton of time and massively increase my productivity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago

It's saving me a hell of a lot of man hours on incredibly tedious tasks that would require looking up individual items in a wiki or the like and then directly populating the answers into a spreadsheet... Our team doesn't have the budget to hire someone to do it, so it basically just wouldn't get done without it.

Useful party trick for me!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago

They're starting to add options to cite references, consult documentation, some of the engines actually check their source code to make sure it's viable.

Now that they've hit stumbling blocks on organically improving, all those things you're talking about can be done with conventional techniques.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Just to be clear, I'm not saying it isn't useful, I'm just tired of hearing people say that the code "thinks".