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The hexbear instance. I have a fascination where everytime I see a post I can't help but try to understand the thought process logically. I can only ever come up with deliberate misinformation or genuine dillusion.
I realised the rest of this comment is just me stream of consciousness trying to understand something so feel free to stop reading here.
One thing I personally can't understand is their defending to the death of every socialist government. But by that I mean every government that has called itself socialist or been called socialist by the US as some sort of justification for undermining them, not if they've actually done anything socialist. Like do we have to simp for North Korea. They are probably the furthest country in the world from what I'd consider socialist. Every government does bad things you don't have to defend them because they ideologically allign with you on paper. And the same logic goes for any country that doesn't allign with you having only bad ideas and obviously they then must be fascist/ follow nazi ideology. Like what?? Is there no nuance here. Please if there are any actual genuine humans on hexbear can you talk to me about that instance. I what's going on over there?
There's a couple of points I would make in response to that.
First, a problematic aspect of the internet is that your existence is defined by the last thing you posted. Which is to say, if someone says that a story about North Korea is fake, then to a reader they are a "North Korea defender," regardless of whether they hold more critical beliefs about it that they didn't happen to voice in that particular comment. And there have been plenty of sensationalist, fake news stories about North Korea, as well as about other countries the US doesn't like.
Second, most Hexbears are Marxist-Leninists, and an important thing to understand about that ideology is that it isn't about one specific set of policies that are universally applicable. When an ML defends a country, it doesn't necessarily mean that they think that country should be held up as a model for other countries to emulate.
So if they're not a model to emulate, then why defend them? First off, because the only means we in the West have of influencing their policies is through our government using military force, clandestine operations, or crippling economic sanctions. Second, because even if a socialist government is a failure, the extent to which it failed is important, because it will be held up as a criticism of socialism in general. Many Western leftists believe in simply putting as much distance as possible between themselves and AES (actually existing socialist) states, and will be some of their harshest critics to that end. But others, myself included, would argue that that's the wrong approach, because it allows false and exaggerated claims to go unchallenged, which will then still be used to criticize the left no matter how much one tries to distance themselves from it. Like, people will call Obama and Harris communists, so it doesn't seem to matter how much distance there is.
Michael Parenti's Blackshirts and Reds is a good starting point for understanding the perspective.
"the US doesn't like"
OMG, like North Korea isn't bad, it's just the US that "doesn't like them".
Anyobe not knowing North Korea is the worst dictatorship on planet earth should get their brain tested.
I mean this is what OP talks about (or so I feel), people so out of touch you can't even have a normal discussion with them.
It's like talking about sexual abuse and someone saying that the person raped is now not "liking" the rapist, but a million times worse.
I'm a capitalist. The person you are responding to sounded very reasonable.
"the US doesn't like"
That's very true. The us does not like north Korea. That isn't saying north Korea is good. It's just saying there are motives at play to make north Korea look as bad as possible.
If I said Jeffrey Epstein was a cannibal, you can say "no he wasn't" without thinking he was a good person.
Do you work for a living? If so, then you aren't part of the capitalist class.
Funny side note I think the problem with both systems is lazy people not doing what they should.
I won't go over the example for how lazy people could effect socialism because I'm sure you've heard it a million times before.
I skip straight to capitalism.
People don't vote with their dollar like they should. Everyone hates Walmart, they still shop at Walmart. Everyone hates child slavery, they still buy chocolate. Women want real pockets in their clothing, they still buy clothing that does not have pockets.
I'm lazy too in that way. I don't shop at Walmart, and I don't really like chocolate.... But I hate how shitty airlines are... When I fly tho, I buy the cheapest ticket on the cheapest airline. Every single time.
That's the problem with capitalism. I'm lazy, we're all lazy.
Yes someone explain my poor phrasing. They even mentioned the word I mentioned but I forget.
I'm not the capitalist version of a tanky.
I believe the concept of capitalism could work, and I believe it would work better than socialism. Another common ground I have with socialist is that I understand the examples of my preferred... Arrangement of society have been corrupted and not run under the ideas they claim.
That's what I mean by common ground and that's where I sympathize. I wouldn't want someone pointing at trump and saying "that's capitalism!" And I would never point at Kim jun un and say "that's socialism"
I also understand the "ideal, pure, perfect implementation" of either idea probably isn't possible.
I lean more to capitalism.
That's what I meant when I said "I'm a capitalist" I misspoke.
Not really important, but a capitalist is someone who has a significant amount of capital.
Someone who supports the existence of capitalism is called a liberal.
What on earth do you think you saying you are a capitalist does?
There are smart communists, and as you so succinctly prove, capitalists that are less so.
Pointing out I can disagree with someone's ideas and still recognize when they are being very reasonable.
Ah the ol' "you're stupid" rebuttal. Works every time. Automatic win in every debate lol
I'm slowly learning to stop arguing with people whose first instinct is to throw out an insult
Yesh, look at OBJECTION s response, and call that smart if you like lol. There are people who are smart, and others who, well, aren't.
Others
Ftfy
Thx, fixed