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Yeah i was recently looking for someone to work on windows and finding someone who does work in the traditional way is not easy. They're still out there, but for every one of them there's ten hack shops using minimum wage labor for everything. Even then, the real good techniques just seem like lost technology. They didn't get passed down to our generation.
Standards have improved 10 fold, I moved from a house built 70 years ago to a new build. It is completely different, air tight, less moisture, more efficient heating, permanent hot water, triple glazed windows. Literally everything is more secure and improved. There is nothing an old house can do a new one can't.
Heating is an accessory? The new tech associated with central heating compared to 50 years ago is night and day. The building materials have changed, the regulations have changed. Houses have better insulation, soundproofing, fire guarding, plumbing, electrical circuitry like how is this even a discussion.
Oh we don't have timber framed housing here, my house is concrete and the 50 year old house I was in, probably closer 100, was a stone cottage.
The new house has exactly those things you listed. I'm fairly certain they have to be in all new builds where I am. Though the solar is optional, we have a heat pump instead.
That's a load of nonsense, experienced builder or not. Heating is part of building a house just like the other plumbing, electrical and joinery work.
I'm very happy for you in your made up home, but central heating and plumbing and requirements for construction where I live.
It is definitely more a part of the house than an appliance in that it is built into the house during it's construction by the builders. Ranges are not the same as indoor plumbing, are you sure you're a builder? You can add and remove walls after the fact too but it doesn't make them an accessory in the sense that you are trying to claim.
You were right, the other person’s a moron.
That place of perpetual summer being imaginary I'm sure it's lovely.
Was that second part supposed to insult me by incorrectly guessing my home and what I'm guessing is view of vaccines?
I don't know what I'm talking about but you're arguing against 50 years of material sciences progression and that in door plumbing is an accessory.
If there is an electrical problem I call an electrician, if there is a plumbing problem I call a plumber etc
You are aware that plumbing is heating? Pipework, tanks etc. plumbers are more than sewage.
You are surely the only man in the world in construction and your experience is exactly the only and true one.
And why "I moved from unmaintained house" is argument against old housing? I have all those things in 50 years old house.
So you gave your old building a retrofit with new technologies... more in line with today's standards and have seen results more in line with today's standards.
What is your argument here?
So you understand this!
So modern building standards, materials, technologies and completed products are better than old?
I don't see many people taking out the cavity insulation to make their homes more old style.
Your argument only defeats theirs if their argument was "old buildings are perfect and will never benefit from renovation"
But they didn't say that, did they?
Not in so many words but they did say "When these bad boys are maintained they can outperform new apartments"
I didn't argue against them being capable of improvement, I'm arguing against the idea that they can outperform newer type buildings.
What do you think maintenance means?
General upkeep not retrofitting construction work
Modernising is essential maintenance.
Right yeah well said, very little of any substance. What is modernising? Switching to underfloor heating? Because that is not essential maintenance it is large scale construction work.