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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In this context, it's matters related to government, politicians, or the general culture of a country, in which there are two or more major camps of conflicting opinions, where a good deal of people in one or more of those camps view the other camp as evil because of their view.

If the post is in a community where only one of the camps is significantly present, but the post is attacking the other camp, it is still political.

Why do you ask? Are you hoping to expose some inconsistency in my definition? Maybe use it to call something I like political with the expectation that I'll disagree with you? Or were you expecting my definition to be biased, calling something political that shouldn't be, so that you could expose me as a moustache-twirling villain?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So we can't post memes about ..... checks notes the general culture of our country?

So no memes about anything with literally any specifics.

You realize if you got your wish memses would just be "how many of yall like breathing"

Maybe you could point us to an example of an acceptable meme with no politics involved.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Earlier in this thread, I said:

We complainers aren’t saying they can’t post about politics, just requesting they post their political memes in the designated political meme space.

I also clarified that it has to be contentious, in a way where people condemn each other for thinking differently.

Here are some non-political memes posted in this community in the past hour:
https://lemmy.ml/post/5184036
https://lemmy.ml/post/5185652
https://lemmy.ml/post/5185650
https://lemmy.ml/post/5186256
https://lemmy.ml/post/5186204

That's 5 of the 6 memes posted in that timespan.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

1 and 3 are pretty directly political lol

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

Here let me give you the codex.

When this person says "political" they mean "things I dont agree with"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't think "I don't like my job" is politically divisive. You don't really get people up in arms about it unless you're complaining about capitalism or work in general. Even boomers have their "I'd rather be fishing" meme about it.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

I don't think "I don't like my job" is politically divisive.

This is absolutely a political statement. Your work and conditions are political and can be changed only through seizing control and unionization, both political actions.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (16 children)

With the division of labour, in which all these contradictions are implicit, and which in its turn is based on the natural division of labour in the family and the separation of society into individual families opposed to one another, is given simultaneously the distribution, and indeed the unequal distribution, both quantitative and qualitative, of labour and its products, hence property: the nucleus, the first form, of which lies in the family, where wife and children are the slaves of the husband. This latent slavery in the family, though still very crude, is the first property, but even at this early stage it corresponds perfectly to the definition of modern economists who call it the power of disposing of the labour-power of others. Division of labour and private property are, moreover, identical expressions: in the one the same thing is affirmed with reference to activity as is affirmed in the other with reference to the product of the activity.

Further, the division of labour implies the contradiction between the interest of the separate individual or the individual family and the communal interest of all individuals who have intercourse with one another. And indeed, this communal interest does not exist merely in the imagination, as the “general interest,” but first of all in reality, as the mutual interdependence of the individuals among whom the labour is divided. And finally, the division of labour offers us the first example of how, as long as man remains in natural society, that is, as long as a cleavage exists between the particular and the common interest, as long, therefore, as activity is not voluntarily, but naturally, divided, man’s own deed becomes an alien power opposed to him, which enslaves him instead of being controlled by him. For as soon as the distribution of labour comes into being, each man has a particular, exclusive sphere of activity, which is forced upon him and from which he cannot escape. He is a hunter, a fisherman, a herdsman, or a critical critic, and must remain so if he does not want to lose his means of livelihood; while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic. This fixation of social activity, this consolidation of what we ourselves produce into an objective power above us, growing out of our control, thwarting our expectations, bringing to naught our calculations, is one of the chief factors in historical development up till now.

  • Marx. The German Ideology.

Tl:DR work under capitalism fucking sucks because it's exploiting us and not fighting for your liberation is politically divisive

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

"I don't like my job" is so political people bled and died to the american government for your right to not have to do it 80 hours a week as a 12 year old.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

First one is about technology and alienation under a capitalist mode of production, discussing work and leisure. That's political.

Third one is about dating and advertisements online, which is related to sexual politics and commodification of sex work online. Political.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (9 children)

You're pretty upset that I asked a question aren't you? I wonder why that is.

Government and politicians I think are pretty self explanatory and I would agree those are inherently political, no argument there.

What do you think is part of a general culture of a country, or not? How would you define culture that has conflicting opinions? Is it solely up to your discretion, or would you agree that if anyone has any disagreement about a meme that would make it automatically political?

Is this one political because it references the FBI, a governmental organization? https://startrek.website/post/1847371 I would argue that it is political.

Is this one political because it references culture related to advertising in capitalism? I would think everyone should agree that any reference to or commentary of an economic system is inherently political because of course economic systems are controversial. I don't see how anyone could argue that references to a combination of two major brands isn't a commentary on marketing: https://programming.dev/post/3200916

I mean this one references politics so it's clearly political right? https://lemm.ee/post/8502748

I'm just curious about what you and others think is political versus not. You can't have a discussion about if something should or should not be allowed if you can't clearly define the boundaries of that thing. I find the discussion around what is and isn't politics to be an interesting one, that's all.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think can answer the memes questions for you.

  1. Non political
  2. Non political
  3. I guess it could be considered political in a way, but it doesn't target a specific party or opinion so I'd let it through.
[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (30 children)

Lmao. The FBI: famously non-political government organization that murders activists as easily as one can breath air.

And Microsoft: famously non-political company that ~~bribes~~ lobbies the u.s government constantly to gain monopoly over their market, works hand-in-hand with federal agencies to monitor system users, and regularly influences city, state, and national politics in the pursuit of subsidies of the American worker in order to further boost their already gross profit margins.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

But I think they're political. Is my opinion on what is and is not political invalid for some objective reason?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

general culture of a country

youre gonna have to get more specific there. what part of American "culture" grinds your gears and you want to see less of?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

skibidi toilet memes are american culture and thus political

i don't make the rules