Selfhosted

40696 readers

300 users here now

A place to share alternatives to popular online services that can be self-hosted without giving up privacy or locking you into a service you don't control.

Rules:

Be civil: we're here to support and learn from one another. Insults won't be tolerated. Flame wars are frowned upon.
No spam posting.
Posts have to be centered around self-hosting. There are other communities for discussing hardware or home computing. If it's not obvious why your post topic revolves around selfhosting, please include details to make it clear.
Don't duplicate the full text of your blog or github here. Just post the link for folks to click.
Submission headline should match the article title (don’t cherry-pick information from the title to fit your agenda).
No trolling.

Resources:

selfh.st Newsletter and index of selfhosted software and apps
awesome-selfhosted software
awesome-sysadmin resources
Self-Hosted Podcast from Jupiter Broadcasting

Any issues on the community? Report it using the report flag.

Questions? DM the mods!

founded 2 years ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

105

Paid SSL vs Letsencrypt (lemmy.ml)

submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

109 comments fedilink hide all child comments

I'm curious what the benefits are of paying for SSL certificates vs using a free provider such as letsencrypt.

What exactly are you trusting a cert provider with and what are the security implications? What attack vectors do you open yourself up to when trusting a certificate authority with your websites' certificates?

In what way could it benefit security and/or privacy to utilize a paid service?

And finally, which paid SSL providers are considered trustworthy?

I know Digicert is a big player, but their prices are insane. Comodo seems like a good affordable option, but is it a trustworthy company?

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

LetsEncrypt is legit. A downside is that the certs expire after 90 days. However, that also carries an upside in that it limits the damage in case a certificate is compromised. There are procedures by which you can automatically renew/request (I forget whether they allow renewing an existing cert or require a brand new one) LE certs and apply them to your application, but that can be fiddly to configure.

If you're not comfortable with configuring automatic certificate cycling, a long-term paid cert would be more appropriate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

It makes sense that they issue short certificates, though. The sole verification is that you own the domain. If you sell/let the domain lapse and someone else takes it over, there's only a limited time you would hold a valid certificate for it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

I didn't say it isn't legit nor I distrust automation, but I would like to see anyone operating an online shop paid for a cert to show they are honest and won't diappear in thin air not delivering. Am I going to get back what I paid, properly not, but a basic DV cert isn't expensive either for a business.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

LetsEncrypt certs are DV certs. That a put a TXT record for LetsEncrypt vs a TXT record for a paid DigiCert makes no difference whatsoever.

I just checked and Shopify uses a LetsEncrypt cert, so that's a big one that uses the plebian certs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The difference between $0 and $50 isn't really relevant.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Then I don't see any problem for them just put down $50 more.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Bad actors can afford $50 the same as good ones.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Would you accept a certificate issued by AWS (Amazon)? Or GCP (Google)? Or azure (Microsoft)? Do you visit websites behind cloudflare with CF issued certs? Because all 4 of those certificates are free. There is no identity validation for signing up for any of them really past having access to some payment form (and I don't even think all of them do even that). And you could argue between those 4 companies it's about 80-90% of the traffic on the internet these days.

Paid vs free is not a reliable comparison for trust. If anything, non-automated processes where a random engineer just gets the new cert and then hopefully remembers to delete it has a number of risk factors that doesn't exist with LE (or other ACME supporting providers).