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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago (7 children)

That's because the shift between the V sound and the S sound is very awkward. When that kind of shift is awkward, dropping one of the sounds entirely (usually the first one) is common.

  • Salmon (although there are pockets of people who still pronounce the "l")
  • Receipt
  • Schedule (was originally pronounced with a "s-ch" combination, now is "sk" in America and "sh" in the UK)

There's plenty of common English words that have also changed spelling to go along with that pronunciation, though I can't recall any at the moment.

Edit: Thought of one: Donut. Yes, the "old-timey" spelling was "doughnut," and is still found in relatively common use. Long ago that "gh" in there was pronounced like a "phlegmmy 'h'." As that sound fell out of use, it eventually fell completely out of the word "donut."

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You mean to tell me we were supposed to pronounce the "p" in receipt?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I really hope your wife is named Caramel.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

In the UK it is pronounced ca-ra-mel.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

But would that be pronounced care-a-mell or car-mall?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Care-mel obviously.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Salmon (although there are pockets of people who still pronounce the “l”)

See, this is a weird one, because I don't know anybody who pronounces the "L" here, but calm, balm, or psalm you would.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Some people make up an L in "both" and pronounce it "bolth". Like an ass.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Or an r in wash. Warsh, or Warshington.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Psalm, yes. But "calm" or "balm" are actually pronounced more like "caam" or "baam" in many situations.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

That’s because the shift between the V sound and the S sound is very awkward.

So you're telling me the original Invcel term couldn't get anyone to accept it?

Isn't that the ultimate irony?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Wait... What? I'm not supposed to pronounce the l in salmon?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

🤯

So basically L before consonants is generally mute?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I wouldn't say so - I can think of several counter examples off the top of my head: mold, wild, kiln

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

It's generally only l before m, and b after m. So no l sound in salmon or calm, but there is in solve. Oddly, there's no l sound in salve. Likewise, there is no trailing b sound in bomb, dumb, or lamb. Of course, it's important to remember this is English, where the exceptions outnumber the rules, which is expected when you mash three languages together with a sprinkling of the rest of the languages.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

You can pronounce the L in both of those cases, and many people do.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

I think it depends on the person/region you live in. The "l" in salmon was probably originally intended to b pronounced, but linguistic shift has dropped the "l" in some areas.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

It's not as simple as shedule in the UK, skedule in the US. For example, in my part of the UK it's pronounced skedule too

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

The last one is like you took the word chess and put it in a blender. S-chematic, s-chtick, s-cheme, s-cholar...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Pronouncing schedule like s-chedule is really fun. Not sure I know of any English words that have those two phonemes next to each other