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Don't know how many of you "all" are there, but you're all unfortunately wrong :)
Although I don't see how that would change anything even if that were true... My family member did escape Ukraine through Russia, by going to the occupied territories. They chose not to stay there though :)
I feel it's true and I'm going to say it's logic so it must then be true if I use your logic.
It wouldn't change anything no, you're a Russian shill be it Belarus or Georgia.
Well, this can be easily disproved - you feeling it's true doesn't make it true.
Now, I argued that percentage of people fighting involuntarily is only raising - because otherwise they wouldn't resort to kidnappings.
Is there a flaw in this logic?
I mean I guess you can say it... Indeed, as a Ukrainian, for me Russia winning (or at least capturing the territory where I lived and where my family/friends live) is a preferable scenario, because in that case they will finally be able to leave and I wouldn't need to worry about them...
Can it though? Disprove it then.
It's based on one single secondhand account.... That's not a logical choice. Hundreds of thousands fighting... You have one account and not even a first hand account. What do you think the probability of something happening is if through years of digging you can find a single secondhand account. Just duh, guy, duh.
You aren't Ukrainian, even if your story is true you aren't Ukrainian any longer. You're by your own admission a coward who doesn't have pride enough to defend his country. They don't want you back.
I already did that though, by saying that your feelings don't make something true.
What do you mean by that? The sources I linked contain hundreds of videos with such cases..
No you didn't, prove is something you can prove what you're doing is claiming something proving it would be too offer em supporting evidence.
Videos of people getting grabbed off the street.... No official account, no one who has actually been grabbed talking about it.... Just videos of people being grabbed... I'm a warzone.... Where partisans have been getting grabbed off the street since day one..... And because you feel the draft is heavy handed you are simply taking a video at face value with zero actual evidence as to who was grabbed or why and that's somehow a logical choice to you.
Do you really expect Zelensky to officially say "we are kidnapping people from the streets so that fight for my regime"?.... Obviously it's not going to be official...
Some of them are with captions, so even if you don't understand Ukrainian/Russian you can watch them and hear the offenders saying they are from ТЦК (the "recruitment officers").
No I expect the crazy amount of journalists embedded with Ukrainian forces to uncover this incredibly high percentage of virtual slaves shackled and thrown into the trenches with merely a stick and their wits. If it's as high as you say it is at least one would speak up, maybe they will if it exists. But they haven't have they?
Yeah, they're armed military forces in local offices during war. They're going to do other jobs and it would be easier to grab a partisan by implying it might be a draft thing and not a "you're a fucking spy and saboteur, enjoy prison then the rope" thing.
Eh, despite all the evidence and logic (why else would they prevent people from leaving, if not to force them to fight???) you're saying they grab "partisans" instead of normal people that just want to live...
I don't understand what Ukrainians did to you that you hate us that much...
I'm saying they've been grabbing people off the street by random military dudes into band since day one. You see secondhand accounts and videos with no real context and jump to slave fighters.
You. Are. Not. Ukrainian. Even if your bullshit story is true, coward turncoats ain't get to call themselves Ukrainian especially while calling a wartime government authoritarian as though that's an insult to a country at war. Sniveling little Russian apologists don't get to call themselves Ukrainian, the best thing you get to call yourself is stateless because I hate to tell you they don't want cowards back. You had your moral choice and chose to save your neck and leave you don't get to stand here on the outside moralizing and hand wringing.
I don't think there's anything left to discuss with you, so I'm not going to be replying anymore.
You are a sadist who enjoys to see people suffering and dying. People who have never done anything bad to you or anyone else. You are a bad person. I hope that you experience the same fate you support for us.
Not everybody hates people as much as you do though, and that gives me a hope of a better future.
At least Romanians are kind to Ukrainians.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65792384
Fleeing the conversation like you fled your country huh?
You're a Russian apologist that's too cowardly to defend his claimed country and instead sit and moralize about how it's Ukraines fault there's no peace. There is no us, you don't have a country. You're a redcoat in America circa 1775 you may have lived in America but you'd never be American.
You've given yourself away. Remind me who did Romania fight with and for in WW2? I'll give you a hint they were fascists with snazzy boots. So remind me again, if Romania isn't evil because of its wartime stance, how can you call the country you claim evil.
I don't enjoy people no, but I can empathize and I support Ukraine in fighting. I didn't support cowardly moralizing nitwits like you.
Yes, people dodging the draft take risks mostly because the regular border crossings are IN A FUCKING WARZONE WITHOUT MOST OF IT'S CROSSINGS.