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[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Its seriously absurd. I hate ads, but there's realistically not a better option to profit when providing free software and services like Mozilla is doing. Investing into ads that don't violate your privacy is a great decision. I don't know what the hell people want from them.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

They want them to meet all of their impossibly high and contradictory standards at the same time. For free. What's so hard about that?? /s

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (4 children)

They should do it like Signal: accept donations. Signal is doing just fine. But Mozilla cannot legally do that as they are a for-profit company. And Mozilla Foundation won't do that either because they are funded by Mozilla and under their command.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You can accept donations if you're a for-profit company, there's no rule against that.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Those are restrictions for charitable organizations, not for-profit organizations. AFAIK, for-profit companies can accept donations, they're just not tax-deductible and the corp would need to pay taxes on it since it's income.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Google pays them 400 million. You really think they're going to get anywhere close to that from donations?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You underestimate the complexity of a web browser if you compare it to instant messaging app

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They're comparing the business models, not the software itself.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

The problem is the business models revolve around the software. You cannot directly compare them without also comparing the complexity and manpower required to achieve it. Just take a look at W3C spec and you'll see just how many cases there are to handle when making a browser. Not to mention making it secure and performant. Also, if you want to support web push technology on your browser you also need to have infrastructure to maintain. A donation may work but you'll have to be content with slow development since the resources can be uncertain.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

People don't seem to realise that developing a browser (a real one, not Chrome with a different paint job), web rendering engine, having the top-notch security expertise that building a modern web engine requires, plus being on the board that decides web standards is expensive.

It's honestly at a similar scale and complexity to OS development.

We're talking hundreds of millions a year to do the work that Mozilla needs to do. People who say "oh I'd chip in a dollar or two, but only if they get rid of all other funding" as if it's feasible kind of get on my nerves because they clearly don't see the big picture.

Any time Mozilla tries to diversify their income while still being broadly privacy-respecting they're branded as evil or too corporate. Any time they ask for donations they're being greedy beggars. When they take Google's money they're shills for big tech. They can't win. People want Mozilla to work for free.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Exactly. Browser's are insanely fucking complex, the codebases of Firefox and Chromium are MASSIVE. There is zero chance Mozilla could ever make enough money simply off of donations.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I don’t know what the hell people want from them.

these people are probably already using forks anyway