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Q. Is this really as harmful as you think?

A. Go to your parents house, your grandparents house etc and look at their Windows PC, look at the installed software in the past year, and try to use the device. Run some antivirus scans. There’s no way this implementation doesn’t end in tears — there’s a reason there’s a trillion dollar security industry, and that most problems revolve around malware and endpoints.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't think of Bezos, Musk, or Gates as exceptionally intelligent. They are lucky and influential, sure. Intelligent? Musk is automatically out just because of his Twitter feed. The other two haven't shown themselves to be particularly intelligent, just ruthless and efficient when it comes to generating profit.

As far as the other side of that coin, I tend to agree. Most of the really intelligent people that have existed have been pretty grey morally speaking.

Hence why I went with fictional examples. At least with Lex Luthor, there's very little grey area in his moral stances.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Gates is insanely intelligent, like demonstratably so. Musk and Bezos are also very highly intelligent people. Do they have terrible, awful, even downright despicable views? Absolutely. But don't be fooled, all three of those people are incredibly smart with actual high IQs (not in the braggart, "I have a very high IQ." sense either).

Intelligence doesn't translate to empathy or wisdom. Some of the least book smart people I've met have been profoundly wise at times, and some of those same people were incredibly empathetic. Unfortunately, I think all three of those people (Musk, Bezos, and Gates) are lacking in those traits, but saying they aren't in fact measurably intelligent is only fooling yourself.

I say this as someone who was raised by a measurably very highly intelligent person who could be, and was, a complete monster at times, and had some really twisted views on the world/other people. Lucky for me I didn't inherit that innate Intelligence I guess!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Is musk really intelligent? He's not dumb but honestly seems like most of his success is from buying things and or getting smart people under him who are able to succeed despite his medlling. The ideas he forces through tend to be bad. Giga factory was largely a disaster and he had to relearn manufacturing. Giga casting? Dead. A lot of the super heavy stuff he's directly influenced failed or are drawing out the timeline as the struggle to address. Cybertruck and semi...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Musk and Jobs are/ were highly effective psychopaths. Not geniuses in an academic sense but incredibly shrewd and calculated.

Gates, Bezos, Zuck, Page and the likes are very intelligent and very confident. Like I wouldn't be able to one up any of them in a debate, but I wouldn't be afraid of them trying to destroy my life out of spite.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Hiring smart people and seeing market opportunities and executing on those opportunities absolutely are skills. It's the same sort of skills Hitler had, where most of the genius lies around organising people around a common goal.

A lot of companies either get the smart people, time market opportunities perfectly, or execute perfectly on a clear vision, but very few do all three at the same time and tend to fail. The first (lots of smart people) run out of money, the second is the "too early" group and their ideas get taken by someone else, and the third spends their resources going in the wrong direction.

Elon Musk wasn't successful because he knows a lot about electric cars or rockets, he was successful because he saw an opportunity, secured enough funding, hired the right people, and focused those people in the right direction.

You can be incredibly smart in one area and incredibly dumb in others. Elon is great at pitching an idea to get funding, and using that funding to hire the right people. He fails when he overrides those smart people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

These totally normal human beings you sound like you deify...are you their psychiatrist, psychologist, therapist, counselor? Short of those professions or a former tutor who happened to treat all three...

Well, interesting thing to devote anecdotal brain power to, I'll tell you that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yeah totally that's why I said they were basically morally corrupt and used them as an example of smart people doing bad things... Maybe your judgement is a bit clouded?