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[–] [email protected] 505 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (101 children)

EDIT: I should've read the article, but I'm taking the L and leaving this up with a strikethrough. The phrasing "after" in the headline definitely creates the wrong impression here. As for what this says about people, I guess we'll have to see if the other ten whistleblowers still testify.

And if you think it's too much to assume Boeing killed these two people, that's the wrong question. It matters more whether as a fellow whistleblower it's reasonable to worry about whether Boeing killed them, and I think it is.

Also Boeing definitely killed the first guy at least. "If I die, it's not suicide." - man who "committed suicide". WTAF.

~~If you ever hear anyone talking about how humans suck and we're all terrible and will definitely destroy ourselves, just think about the fact that killing whistleblowers was quickly followed by more whistleblowers. Not just lone heros, but ten fucking people said, "hey, fuck you, are you really gonna kill me too?" knowing that the answer could well be "yes".~~

[–] [email protected] 81 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Funny, just yesterday probably I was arguing with someone in another thread that was saying the people here don't actually think Boeing had these whistleblowers killed, it was just making "implications and jokes."

And here, very clearly, with a massive number of upvotes we have someone claiming that Boeing had them killed and that resulted in brave souls coming out afterward. lol

However, this also exposes another huge complaint I have with your typical lemmy-er (lemming? lemmite? what do you call a user of lemmy?): Almost no one reads the fucking article.

This isn't about new whistleblowers coming out, but their lawyer claiming he is afraid that current whistle blowers will be "scared away."

But, of course, what I've learned on reddit and even more so on lemmy is that the facts don't matter, only the narrative.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Almost no one reads the fucking article.

You are describing the human species. Through its entire history.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. Although I will say.... While people not reading the articles was extremely common on reddit... Sadly, I feel like Lemmy is even worse about it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

When I first started on reddit many years ago, while it was clear some people didn't read the article, usually the top comment in the thread usually showed that they read the article, unless it was some kind joke. Over time it definitely got worse.

I was hoping when jumping to Lemmy that I would be able to recapture some of that magic.

Lemmy has a lot of good things going for it, but what I got in that regard is the top comment, with 100% upvotes, clearly not having read the article and spewing some unsubstantiated conspiratorial claims. It's like being in r/conspiracy sometimes.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yes, varying people have different opinions on subjects. It is easy to think a comment with upvotes is the way the hivemind goes, but the hivemind has multiple factions.

I, personally, have no opinion on the matter. The dude was septic and had a stroke. While it seems unlikely that was murder, I guess it is possible if you have infinite resources to make it look natural. But that is one HELL of a coincidence to have two whistle-blowers die . .. like. .. pretty fucking insane. Watch these next ten all die and no one important bats an eye.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Almost no one reads the fucking article

Same as it ever was

[–] [email protected] 46 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yes but our current society vests power in the corporation doing the killing. It's a problem as old as civilization, but one we still haven't solved. The problem is that these institutions and the technology they wield has never been greater.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 months ago (3 children)

We need an impartial lawnmower. Something external to the species that comes in and cuts the biggest ones in half. And it needs to be incorruptible and powerful enough to do this.

Damn, I think I just invented god again.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

I like to think that climate change is that lawnmower, we either learn to cooperate or die.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

"This world needs no savior,

just a headsman to cut her down".

"Erscheine!" (2008) By Eisregen, translated from German.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I invite to read history. Roman generals, European kings...

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

I needed to see this, just in general, today

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I mean If it was an organized thing then I'm not sure it's so dumb

They can kill two people but if ten more people die it would look really bad on there part and would become undeniable

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

It already looks really bad

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I was talking to someone the other day who was really bent out of shape over an extremely unpleasant customer. The kind of interaction that sticks with you for years.

I told my perspective on people. We tend to remember remarkable things - stuff that really stands out from the normal. The news media does the same thing. Normal, everyday stuff isn't "newsworthy."

So when an asshole customer stands out that much, it's because it's such a rare experience. People are mostly good, so the goodness doesn't stand out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Yeah, bad customers can ruin your day, but I remember doing customer service that one good customer with a nice smile can make your day good again. That's why I always make an effort to be as nice as possible.

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