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The Microsoft devs have time to do shit like this, but haven't yet gotten the Settings screen as functional as Control Panel was two decades ago...
Do NOT blame the devs for this. They are not the ones to decide the direction of the product or the priority of the tickets they work. Blame upper management for making these poor decisions and the product managers for being spineless and not pushing back.
But Steve Ballmer told me "Developers Developers Developers Developers"
Are you saying that was a lie?
He also squealed IIRC
Does anyone else wonder which medication Steve Ballmer was prescribed but didn't take? He always struck me as a walking check engine light.
Relevant XKCD:
Oh was he an alcoholic? See I got more cocaine vibes out of the man.
Maybe they are pushing back, which is why Control Panel still exists?
Meanwhile the new settings panel is telling me my network is private while control panel and network share settings tell me it's domain authenticated.
...while you're sitting in an internet café
It would be funny if true.
Sadly the reality is me calling with a client because this one single PC refuses to apply the damn GPOs... :(
Every day I'm thankful for having found a job where in such a case I can just send out a pre-imaged replacement pc from the pile and have them send the old one back.
I would like to. Sadly there are programs on it that can be reinstalled and configured by the respeonsible 3rd party but are still annoying.
The best: No other pc has trouble applying the damn gpo.
Even the DNS resolutiom seems to work on this shit thing... :|
I'd do a
gpupdate /forceon the client and look at the event viewer afterwards. If that doesn't turn up anything helpful, reinstalling is the most economical option.I have tried to narrow down the cause of the issue. Since I wasn't successful I ultimately escalated the ticket to my colleague and communicated to the client that if they can't narrow it down either, we will ultimately have to do that.
Not a pretty way to resolve the issue but sometimes it is like it is :/
My ultimate goal with every ticket is to not just close the problem but to resolve the root cause for the long term. But that (sadly) clashes with the amount of resources a client is willing to spent.
Solve the issue within 5min that arises every 10 days or so or solve the issue with 2 hours spent on troubleshooting and eliminating the issue
I'm pretty sure everybody knows it's not just a couple of developers by themselves churning out windows. Even the project managers are just following orders. Marketing sets the tone upper management picks the path.
Yeah . . . marketing -- the department famous for being able to steer the flagship product of a trillion-dollar company.
He said marketing sets the tone (not the path), and that is absolutely true. Many products are killed or poorly received due to the tone poor marketing set.
This is just nonsense that internet denizens tell themselves because they don't like decisions made in board rooms and can't conceptualize a business development team. Marketing is following orders just as much as some rando code monkey.
The scary truth is: The CEO scribbles "CLOUD 1ST", "FOCUS ON ENTERPRISE" and "WIN AS A SERVICE" on a napkin during a 5-star dinner and everyone below them tries to make sense of it and translate it into a business strategy. No one is really in charge.
Thank you. The one arena where the fault really does lie in few enough hands they fit around a biggish table, and the Internet instead makes a nebulous boogeyman out of "marketing" (don't get it twisted either y'all, I condone zero of the bullshit marketing practices we all hate, but that's also the same table of people) instead of the board.
It's not even secret information. The decision came from the minds of these folks (as they understood what they asked to be measured and think to steer to measure higher numbers of whatever they're measuring):
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Investor/corporate-governance/board-of-directors.aspx
Unfortunately, blaming the devs seems to be a recurring problem. I remember seeing this in a YouTube comment thread (paraphrased):
I replied with something like:
(Yes, there's just a ZWSP after the colon. It can be mapped to a key combo if one uses it often.) He did not answer but maybe didn't see my reply buried way underneath – it was YouTube comments, after all. Legend says that bible references in his video description keep messing up his worship chapters.
i think its because these words are used interchangeably.
when people say 'devs' i believe they mean the microsoft team in general
The devs are the people who, after seeing everything that Microsoft's done for the past 30+ years, decided to take a job there anyway.
That's not a very valid argument.
First and foremost, most devs probably see it as a job and they do what they're told. They don't have the power to refute decisions coming from above.
Second, in this economy where jobs are scarer than a needle in multiple haystacks, people are desperate to get a job.
Third, yes, there may be some Microsoft (M$) fan-people who end up being devs at M$. Sure, they may willingly implement the things upper management may request. However, I'm not sure whether that's true for most of the people who work at M$.
Your comment suggests to shift the blame to the devs who implement the features that upper management request for. Don't shoot the (MSN) messenger.
You overestimate the agency of a developer.