ubergeek

Its literally the communism described by Marx, which, is, by nature, THE Definition of what communism is: https://web.archive.org/web/20090605001014/http://www.economictheories.org/2009/05/full-communism-ultimate-goal.html

That's literally the definition of communism.

Yes, Marxism works. Leninism (And it's offshoots) do not.

That is literally what makes up right wing ideology... Prove me wrong. Because, yes, every Reich Winger thinks that some level of control over others is a requirement of society.

Control of women's bodies.

Control of immigrants.

Control of health care.

Control of religious views.

Control of other countries.

Show me a Reich Winger who doesn't believe that someone needs to control others, and I'll walk that back.

I think printers is kinda going the way of having to support winmodems for Linux... Just not as important as it used to be.

Last time I printed something was for a pistol permit. 3 years ago. And I just sent that to Office Depot to print it, and picked it up on the way to the permit office.

Students at the local uni don't really need printers, either. Generally, the few times they do, there's public printers to email the doc to, and go pick up (Or, QR code and a phone, etc).

Personal printers just aren't that big of a deal these days.

and this new frame has no theoretical basis for being a road at all unless you can make the case that central planning and public ownership of underdeveloped sectors of the economy is reasonable unilaterally

There is no rational argument to say this. In fact, lessons borne out of past revolutionary experiments have shown us this is the route that leads to failure. Centralization of control, into the hands of the few, never leads to liberation of the working class.

That was a lesson he was learning, as well, and it was in its infancy at the time. We've had many more examples to learn from, and don't need to try it again.

"Started down the track" is how I make that claim. He went from very staunchly "Seize the state, and use it to implement communism!" to "Well, thats not such a hot idea... we need to re-work that".

You know, the "scientific" part of "Scientific Socialism".

I never said he was an anarchist, and I never said he claimed it should or could be done in a single stroke.

Scientific Socialism requires one to learn from the past, and adapt as needed. It doesn't mean a dogmatic prescription of "how".

Of course, discussing political ideology is "partisan"... Its exactly what we're talking about.

And no, they're not just talking points, it's literally how we describe the various systems of political ideology... Reich Wingers look to construct a society around control and subservience. And, like I said, the question of "who" to obey, and how strictly people are to be controlled are what differentiates the various Reich Wing ideologies.

Reich Wing ideology, the entire thing, relies on subservience and deference to authority. The difference in the various flavors of it are just how much and who.

Marx started to rework (greatly) his ideas of "The state" and if it should be seized or abolished early. He started leaning to "abolished quickly, and early".

Nothing in there contradicts what I said here... There's not fascist about preventing fascism from taking root. You're making the same mistake made in "On Authority", and calling revolutions where the people cast off their chains of oppression as "Authoritarian"...