queermunist

current LLMs and ML don’t understand concepts, which is their main issue

This is a relevant issue to the question!

If I take a dose of LSD and paint the colors I hallucinate, is that creative? I'd argue it's not.

Only when I, the subjective self, curate my own thoughts and sensations can I engage in a creative process. I can think about my own thoughts without going insane (how do the colors make me feel, what do the colors mean?) and that's a fundamental part of creativity and intelligence. Conceptualization is key to subjectivity.

I don't think this is far off. I just don't think we're there, either, and we should be skeptical of marketing hype.

Without humans to curate the inputs and outputs, LLMs hallucinate and go insane. I think this is the precursor to creativity, but they need the ability to curate themselves (i.e. the ability to think about their own thoughts) before I'll call them intelligences.

The very fact that "babies have some sort of spark before they learn anything from other people" shows there's something missing.

I think intelligence requires the ability to think about your own thoughts and then draw new conclusions. LLMs can't do that.

I see it an more an inability to analyze, evaluate, and edit.

I believe that's vital to the creative process, but yeah, I basically agree.

When an LLM feeds on its own outputs, though, it quickly starts to hallucinate. I think this is actually closer to creativity, but it betrays the fundamental flaw behind the technology - it does not think about its own thoughts and requires a curator to help it create.

I'll believe something is an AI when it can be its own curator and not drive itself insane.

I believe a real AI would be able to generate its own inputs without humans to give it input. It would have an actual subjective experience, able to actually imagine new things with zero external inputs. It could experience the redness of the color red.

the statement “real creativity comes solely from humans” Needs Citation.

Yeah, I'd actually make a more limited statement. Real creativity requires the subjective experience and the ability to generate inputs solely from subjectivity i.e. experience the redness of the color red. AI could definitely do that, which is why LLMs are not AI imo

I'm so sorry you feel that way.

I put "AI" in scare quotes specifically because I do not believe we are having an "AI revolution". These are not AI.

I think AI can exist but that's not what we have right now. What we have are jumped up algos that can somewhat fake it.

I don't think I'd actually call that shallow thought "creativity".

Think of a word association game. I don't think the first word that pops up in my head is creative at all, it's just a thoughtless reaction.

That's what LLMs are doing. Without that reflection and depth it's just a direct input->output

What I'm saying is LLMs do not actually do that. They're less creative than most animals, even if they're more technically capable.

I'm not just a meat calculator, I'm also feedback loop of meat endlessly calculating itself. That's what subjectivity is. When LLMs do this they hallucinate, and ironically while this is considered undesirable I think that's actually closer to creativity than the song this AI wrote.

LLMs aren't intelligent. They're jumped up chatbots lol