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Also in the future, consider using one of the linked communities in the sidebar instead of this one.

ex. [email protected]

How is it intended to be used then, just pretend it doesn't exist till final deliberations?

It still exists, so when is it intended for?

For sure, I haven't used them much but I was planning to look into it when I had a chance

Could you just use the mobile site?

Someone mentioned GPSLogger & Location Map Viewer here: https://lemmy.ca/comment/5402752

I haven't tried them yet, but that could work. I'd also love an easy-to-use version of this, it's just so useful.

When did I last go to the doctor? What was that restaurant we ate at that night?

so helpful

I've heard Garmin can also be used local only with the data exported?

Signal feels the closest, it's basically equivalent to other messaging apps. Somewhat cleaner and easier to use IMO

The only downside is chat backups for people coming from Messenger, in particular those on iOS devices. Streamlining that process might get me to go "contact me on signal, I don't check messenger often", but right now I get why there's a last bit of friction with my friends

WhatsApp has a similar limitation but they walk you through the backups process. Even then, they limit backups to google drive iirc. Signal could do something similar, but much better by explaining the process and opening up backup locations

I don't think they're in trouble, they're just talking about long term funding because it's relevant. Can't expand and get more funding without mentioning that you need it

Of the articles I saw about funding

• one was by Signal, estimating future costs
• one was by that Grayzone guy, misrepresenting where funds were from (said it was CIA lol), how much was being changed (title implied it was entirely CIA funded but it was a past, publicly documented investment by a government program)

Well there's a difference between "don't look at my work without paying me, even if it's posted publicly" and "don't sell my work without paying me, even if it's posted publicly"

Like I said, there's nothing we can do about companies using all the data they can get their hands on for private R&D. It IS possible to protect against the second case, where companies can't sell an LLM product with copyrighted training data.

My question was about how that second case could be extended to stuff posted on the Fediverse, such as if an instance had a blanket "all rights belong to the user posting the content".

These laws exist, if companies can use them then so can we

Yea that's something that's been on my mind as well

There are benefits from that openness and verifiability in public spaces (ex. Lemmy communities), since now it's easier to determine if there's vote manipulation or astroturfing. But I think the fediverse needs a lot of work around privacy, and also education about what is/isn't private on these platforms.

There should also be more of a focus on setting up a legal requirement on what can be done with the information, but I'm not sure if that's a thing just yet. We developed GPLv3 to make sure FOSS products can't be incorporated for profit, but I'm not sure how it would work for data.

ex. It should be easy to save, record, and share posts on the fediverse, such as with embeds/screenshots/news stories

But also we want to prevent abuse, misuse, and AI training

So I assume they added any necessary stuff to the TOS to allow this.

My question is if there's any legal mechanism to prevent this on other platforms? Pixelfed for example.

Companies will likely federate and pull images regardless, but can we go after them when they're caught? Nothing prevents them from taking the images for internal R&D, but at least we can stop them from selling products with that training data

Ohh

I'd probably remove it but it's pretty borderline