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Because of the implication

If you have access to the internets, you are free to learn

On your other points: yeah colonisation bad immigration bad human history bad I get ya

Also they call themselves garbagebagel on the fediverse

Which pretext did those Italians have to, as you call it, "steal land in Argentina"?

They chose it both for religious and for practical reasons. They also considered Argentine, for example.

The muslims also claimed the land should, historically, belong to muslims, so there's that.

Which region would you have suggested the jews of the Ottoman empire to congregate?

Sure it was.

If there was no foothold of Ottoman jews in Palestine, they would not have chosen to congregate there.

If the Ottoman jews had not already started congregating in this area, (future) zionists in the rest of the world would never have thought about it.

The fact the territories of the crumbling Ottoman empire were more likely to gain future Independence were another important driver, of course. Something European, Russian and American jews could never achieve within their respective countries

Well, I'm sure not all of them are. And you'll be happy to learn that the ethnic populations are getting more and more mixed every year

Well, if we start from the 'living in relative peace' part during during the latter century of the Ottoman empire, one can get quite a clear picture on how we arrived here today. It takes around 3 minutes.

During the Ottoman empire, jews were a small and dispersed minority living under laws that were, in large, inspired on islamic sharia. Although there were regions and periods of time where this was less enforced, it still meant that they would always be second class citizens, or worse. For example: they weren't allowed to build or repair synagogues, could not carry guns or ride horses, had to pay a special tax, etc...

So they were living in relative peace as long as they put up with the systemic discrimination (and the occasional local sectarian massacre but hey, it was the 19th century after all).

So we jump forward to the 1850-1870's and reforms are ongoing to modernize the empire and this came with a lot of the systemic discrimination being removed, moving towards a more secular state with the different religious communities given self-government wrt religious laws. Finally light at the end of the tunnel for the Ottoman jews, right? Well, sucked to be them as in 1876 Turkish nationalists seized power, abolished parliament and installed a new sultan which was a pan-Islamist and sought to re-consolidate the people of his empire under islam. (Btw, the Turkish nationalists would later go on to purge their land by doing multiple genocides, some still ongoing).

So this is where zionism picks up, with Ottoman jews seeing the future darken and the idea growing that they should unite in one place. This led to a lot of jewish immigrants moving into (modern day) Palestine starting around 1880 towards this goal, with the zionist idea picking up around the world, gaining more and more steam and here we are, 2024 and jews and muslims are still fighting over it.

It's interesting as well to look into the history of the yishuv, and why jews concluded that they needed a country of their own. Something their muslim countrymen were more than willing to put a genocide on them to prevent

Spoiler: it's an Israeli settler on her way to the West Bank

That's the neat part

You don't

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