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I'm not a DJ, but I can listen to high end audio from 3.5mm, even a phone, and you just can't over Bluetooth. Its lossy janky and barely a standard.

Well, I do.

Nah I like em because I'm paranoid. I had paranoiac family who weren't power users who behaved similarly at the dawn of this shit.

Well, back up all their shit and have a compatible open source alternative on the table, for the day it suddenly dies.

You're saying I'm saying 'religion is x'

I'm generally saying 'religion tends towards x' so two twins, one raised religious, one not, you could end up with anything.

A hundred sets of twins, one in each set religious, the other not influenced by it at all; the religious ones, on average, are gonna suck more, but only on average.

I do think the concept that 'the world doesn't matter because its temporary and only heaven matters, therefore anything is permissible' is terrifying, and should get you kept away from sharp objects heavy machinery and any position of authority over anything. There are a few specific points doctrine about beliefs like that, that only show up without religion in cases of extreme mental illness, and I think can skew the average of how shit people are, but they tend to differ even between people sitting on the sane pew.

You seem very intent on picking fights about this though, and the things youre arguing against are not the ones I have said. (Some I believe, some I don't, some you could maybe stretch to being a straw man of something I believe). You don't seem to really be arguing with me here, and me engaging with what you say seems to be mostly ignored. Are you okay?

No, but claiming you understand the idea well enough to argue it because you read the back cover is some "imagine a perfectly spherical organism... ...and now ive solved it, why do you even have a whole department?" first year physics student walking into a bio lab level arrogance.

I don't even think you understand the principles and ideas that would make your idea of optimal social structure even remotely plausible, much less what I'm talking about with mine (given your unwillingness to even acknowledge them), and you clearly don't want to. Its not like youre going to tell me anything I haven't heard before. I feel like it's a good time for this conversation to end.

You looked up a book. Therefore you know its contents.

Okay.

I'd honestly take that. Uh, is there a remind function? If I assume this will be here and I'll have an account in ten years?

So, the beach thing. Why does it happen, and why does it 'not happen anywhere else'?

Have you read 'a paradise built in hell'?

Did you read my point about believing in the existence of, but not favoring spontaneous organization. A deliberate but headless structure is possible! They're actually really cool! Good thing too, because strict hierarchies are wildly inefficient and trend towards flattening the territory to match the map, which tends to lead to fascism.

And if I believed it was only a fuhrer or a grand wizard, I'd fucking kill myself and take as many as I could with me. Thankfully I've seen (and executed) proof to the contrary.

How do you know if someone has never eaten a vegetable? They won't shut the fuck up about vegans. Same for windows fanboys, etc.

I was commenting after thatthat had been done. Youre arguing with the wrong person, regardless of how I feel about your points. I'm going to be the bigger person and leave now

Then come back, after a cup of tea, and write this part.

You can be all manner of shitty without religion, but religion as a framework is generally (and they're not all the same) a tool for getting people to accept and do awful shit-partially, I admit, a (violent) selection pressure, but when you believe blatantly magical bullshit, you're more easily manipulated against your stated conscience and general interest, and the people willing to do that tend to be the biggest bastards. Its also a mostly static model of reality youre very emotionally attached to, with no or problematic adjustment mechanisms, and those are always dangerous, even when they're as or more accurate than other options (which none of the big ones are).

Religion doesn't determine good/bad, but it's got its finger on the needle. That's not to say it hasn't produced things I respect; Spinoza, Hegel, guy whose name I can never remember how to spell who wrote 'pedagogy of the oppressed', but I'm not sure how much any of those are attributable to it, and a lot (most? One is too many) of those holy wars (including the worst ongoing genocide I'm aware of at time if writing) serve(d) little/no material interest, of anyone.

So I'm only saying this because you basically walked up and asked me. But also I'm queer and it makes me feel very unsafe. Its a kind of volatility, if someone is, say, any of the abrahamic faiths, that they can just... Turn, almost instantly, for reasons I can't argue or persuade or accommodate, for no real reason, against my very existence. Ive lost a lot of people to that. And it fucking sucks. No nonreligious person did this to me until ~2016. It took fascism, which I would argue is a (particularly bad) religion.

Oh. Shit magical and spontaneous? So there's nothing other than a master with a whip and a fucking wizard?

Its not what i favor, or what im proposing, but spontaneous organization does happen. Youve never been in a disaster, or started digging a hole at the beach, have you?