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Well it seems you know so much about these organizations than me, despite my decade of experience, and so much more about the phenomenon, despite my years of study. I defer to your expertise.

we all are

This conversation is not generalizable to the population at large!

bandwidth

What youre talking about is attenuation. Also, how is an authority immune to this? Nobody who makes decisions is within five degrees of normal. There are ways around this. I can recommend a dense podcast or a dense doorstopper book+a normalish book as a primer.

an 'organization' is a magic spell that completely negates this immutable human nature ive been talking about. And yes requires a fuhrer.

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yes that always involves guns

Nah, your way doesn't threaten anyone in power.

The word 'house' in OP is not necessarily talking about sfh. That's a nitpick. Youre doing that because you don't actually gave an explanation.

If its property taxes, why not just sell? If its not worth it to rent out? Do you not pay property tax on empty units?

'Can't find people that qualify' my dude. Supply. And. Demand. Supply outstrips demand. If theres demand not being filled and supply not being used and they're literally right next to each other, sometimes stealing the signs advertising the supply to make going without a little easier (the corrugated plastic signs are usually white. Durable, lightweight, keeps sun and water off) then maybe the entire system is broken?

Or working as intended, and these people are supposed to die, and everyone complicit in this system deserves a fucking noose, for the murders they commited, because every city in america is becoming an open air concentration camp maintained by exactly the bullshit youre espousing and the idea that 'it could never happen to me'?

Musicians (at least in studio) tend to use wired for the quality, which just does not exist in wireless. Less a latency thing. Live performers tend to use a monitor (speaker pointed back at them) AFAIK.

And that's just the one across from me. They've also mentioned two bedrooms on the sign, and I bet the 2 BDRM unit(s) have been the same ones the whole time too. Not to say there hasn't been any turnover, but its not up to replacement.

Ive talked to a few people with similar stories.

And yeah! The rent is consistently too damn high! With your model, that absolutely doesn't make sense, does it? What are some other explanations for this behavior?

The signs saying 'for rent' are mostly old, many sun bleached. The one I live in has had one unit vacant for over a year.

Yeah turnover happens, but not like that.

Oh. Oh god ive never even tried that. That sounds horrible.

My experience of Bluetooth has always been settings that I can't change, security issues, and devices that run different implementations on both ends. See 'barely a standard', even when the box for each reads the same standard number.

Which is why I'm so reluctant to call it a standard; it isnt standardized.

some shit someone else said, democracy is bad

Democracy is great! Democracy is not made of elections. Elections (not voting. Elections. Though majority fptp elections are pretty undemocratic) are anti Democratic. Democracy can only happen when people are involved. Like actually involved. If you want more than holes; read the damn book I recommended. It goes over this at book length.

you need that guy to sign off on resources

See, that can be a thing that happens, because that's how people know how to do things; the familiar form they defaukt to even if they know it sucks. But also, I feel like its often a legal requirement in the strictly hierarchalist systems we inhabit. Move to something that cares less about laws, and you'll see less of that.

big horizontal organization

They tend to be pretty secretive, because when they're not the cops murder them or arrest them for terrorism. See: 'food not bombs'. Show me a big hierarchal organization that isn't a recursive circle jerk shit show completely alienated from its original stated purpose used to pump up the egos and bank accounts of a fistful of kleptocrats who have barely any idea what the fuck their organization was supposed to be actually doing in the first place.

nobody is in control

That's kind of my point. When you try to get all the information through a few choke points (which individuals become) you have to reduce it massively until its useless, you have to reduce the considerations that go into decisions until they're barely (or just not) better than random, made entirely for reasons of the decision system and not at all for reasons to do with facts on the ground. The power they weild ceases to be a power to help; in that structure it literally can't be-every form of action besides violence requires at least some understanding, and the bandwidth just isnt there, and even if it was the data has been compressed and attenuated to nonsense by the time it gets to the big man. But its still power, and its still there, and it inevitably maps to the interests of the people who believe they should be in control, which means flattening the territory to match the map, which means culling the (human) outliers. So you cede all your autonomy to a hierarchy, which then loses the power to help you, and uses everything you gave it to have some white supremacist covered in military surplus shit kick down your door, shoot your dog, and lock you in a cage for feeding hungry people. They're not actually in control, its a fantasy built on a mountain off terrorism, but it exists.

a circlejerk

Some of it is. But the scientific stuff is interesting, studies communication and decision making. People talking about this stuff without a knowledge of that, or a broad knowledge of history and political theory, come off as ignorant as fuck. If you haven't studied human coordination, even casually, why spout off about your opinions?

casual bribery isn't a thing in long established democracies

So... Gimme an example of what you mean by 'long established' because I'm under the united states right now, and, uh...

open corruption is bad for re election

Okay so youre just imagining a fantasy world based on 'should', and there's no danger of you ever actually looking outside without a blindfold.

I walk through the city at least a few hours a week. Every single building with residential (except sfh) has vacancies. Every single fucking one. Or at least signs announcing them.

And there are people dying on the street.

Supply outstrips demand. Maybe by a lot. And people are still dying for need. People are still working two jobs then sleeping in their cars. People are still working high paying jobs and losing half of it to rent.

There are questions a moral person can have about 'what to do with landlords'. Questions like 'should we torture them first' (there are legitimate arguments against, mostly from an efficiency perspective) and 'is physical or psychological torture more useful here?', but at the end of the day, it all ends at the same place, and the later we start on our way, the more people will die before we get there.

People not understanding this is so fucking annoying.

Theres this tendency to completely ignore the effects of peer pressure and habituation and culture and very scary men with guns pointing them at you in these arguments, and its deeply bullshit.

We tend to treat a hyper-competitive hyper-alienating authoritarian context as some sort of fundamental trait of humanity, rather than some shit we work very very hard to maintain.

And its nonsense? And I can prove it. I prefer deliberate rhizomatoc organization; its more efficient long term, but I can prove spontaneous organizing happens anywhere it isnt actively shut down, and I'll show you, in a totally non-ideological context: go to any beach, and dig a hole. Just pick a spot and start digging. Watch what happens. Nothings wrong, nobody's in trouble, its not even really for anything, and you'll have more help than you can use.

I could theorize why (being on a team feels good. Doing things is a primal joy. People generally want things to get done, etc) but the fact is; it happens, and tryimg to find reasons why it can't be the basis of a social order, or at least disaster response; seems very unnecessarily pessimistic.

anything big enough just stops working and you need a charismatic authority figure to be in charge

That's a failure if your organizing systems. Read more (managerial and information) theory? Seriously though; hierarchal systems do not scale. Spontaneous horizontal systems don't either, but you do realize there are deliberate horizontal systems, right? That you can apply going in or retrofit to an existing organization?

representative democracy seems to work if its set up right

Real representative democracy has never been tried? No true Scotsman? Because I'm not seeing one, and if you are, you need (new) glasses.

hopefully its here to stay

Oh honey. I... Maybe some acid would help this go down easier. I'm here for a hug if you need it.

Damn, how much do you pay your government?