Saying that women only do things to serve or benefit men doesn't empower young men? That is literally telling young men that women are subservient to them.....
Who exactly is stealing the power away from these young men? And what exactly are they taking away?
Can you give us a example of how JP actually empowers men?
Thats not how propoganda works.
Lol, so telling people what they want to hear under ulterior motivations isn't propaganda?
Im asking you to formulate an opinion on one subject matter.
You are, but JP isn't..... That's the whole point. His ideology involves embodied cognition, one which implores you to adopt a new set of behaviors and practices. He doesn't just want to change how you think about one subject, he wants you to make systemic behavioural changes.
I can talk about the bible on how it is the most important piece of literature of all time and not be indoctrinated.
Yes, and I can talk about JP without being indoctrinated. However I can't practice Christianity or JPs ideology without being indoctrinated. Practice in action is part of the indoctrination process.
You can take a quote of his, show me that it is both intended to bolster his dogmatic philosophy while also empowering young men.
His dogmatic philosophy was created to rile up young men, they are inseparable. The simple fact that you believe that young men need to be empowered is evidence of your indoctrination. What group of young people has more power and opportunities than young men in the west?
Just by being born in the US as a male makes me one of the most empowered beings on the planet. I have more influence over my government than most every other citizen on the planet. I will create and capture more wealth than nearly any other citizen on the planet. I have more opportunity in education and job placement than nearly any other person on the planet. There are nearly 8 billion people on the earth and the only other people who have an opportunity better than me are maybe a hundred million dudes who were born with more wealth. You haven't had your opportunity or "power" taken from you, you're just lazy, which is perfectly fine. The only problem with laziness occurs when you are also massively entitled.
Jordan Peterson's entire scam is giving young economically disadvantaged men something to blame for their woes. Instead of blaming the shareholder, the management, or even economic policy, it's because "men aren't just allowed to be men anymore". He takes that idea and mixes it with actual bits of stolen philosophy and pop psychology.
If there is anything meaningfully beneficial in his teachings, it's scaffolding was erected by someone else. Why dig through the massive pile of shit when you could just go read the people he scavenged it from? Why read JP when you could just read Descartes or Heidegger, hell if you wanted the pop application of Enactivism go read Marie Kondo. She will also tell you to clean your room, but with 100% less transphobia.
I just want you to acknowledge that many people dont come to JBP for his stance on religion or trans issues.
That's kinda how propaganda works......... Even if you don't come for the trans and religion dogma, you will be exposed to it.
Hitler as a good model for using effective communication skills for uniting his base regardless of the outcome.
Lol, it's the same model....... Invent a boogie man, lie, cheat, steal, and hurl abuse at those who oppose you. Yes, it would be like bringing up hitlers "leadership skill". But, then ignoring the reality of what that "leadership" really entailed.
show me an example where it needs to be together then that is acceptable.
You can't separate the two because he does not separate them. His philosophy leads him to believe in, and justify his own dogmatic views.
This is not a "separate the art from the artist" as this person's art is getting people to embody his own philosophy.
Except hitler is known for his politics and racism.
And Jordan Peterson isn't famous for his anti-trans dogma, or crazy fusion of religion and "philosophy"?
The meme was about mens health and how he is a bad resource for that view.
And I am staying that his religious and anti-trans attitude is a key reason of why he is a bad resource for that view. His views of religion and trans people are a inseparable part of his world view.
That had been my prior experience as well. I've bought and returned several more expensive items in the past, but I think they've made some recent changes to their return policy. Now they're not returning funds for expensive items until they've checked it in.
Tell me one thing he says (other than his religious takes or takes on trans) that you disagree with.
I mean, that's like saying "tell me one thing Hitler says (other than racism and politics) that you disagree with"......
His "teachings" are completely entangled with religion and culturally conservative dogma. This aspect of his character isn't really separable from his teachings or his actions.
To be honest, his actual "philosophy" is just a bunch of word salad that individuals can gleem meaning from when it suits them.
Countless young men do find him persuasive. They feel abandoned by everyone else and there is this man who comes along and convinces them he knows "the way". Talking about how "unconvincing" his arguments are won't stop this from happening.
There really isn't a way to stop this from happening, short of a complete shake up of American culture and government. The only reason young men gravitate towards JP is because he is telling them what they want to hear.
For the first time in American society, young white men with degrees are no longer guaranteed the middle class life they have always been told they deserve. Instead of realizing that that has been the status quo for literally every other person in the country, and that the system is inherently corrupt......
They are told that they should feel angry, they are told they need to fight to maintain the status quo and domination of power. Jordan Peterson isn't combating the emotional abandoment of men, he's stoking it. His only care is to maintain the social norms racial and sexual supremacy.
Also...... I don't buy that young men have been emotionally abandoned, at least not moreso than any other time in history. Just compared to 30 years ago when I was a kid, men now a days have a plethora of ways to connecting to people, or seeking help.
Yep, just bought a new pixel directly from the Google store on Amazon. They shipped me a refurbished one that was carrier locked to Verizon. It's been 3 weeks since I shipped it back and they still haven't checked it in n for a refund. Prob never buying anything worth more 200 bucks from them again.
If only Putin knew the true cost of his war.
I mean you asked for a quote and someone provided a quote. You can look up the quote and find articles about it.
It's just one of the misogynistic lies he spews on the regular. I believe in the same interview he stated that high heels were invented to lengthen the legs of women to make them more attractive...... In reality high heels were first worn by men to keep shit from getting in their shoes.
Lol, so much better..... It's your fault you are being stepped on, not the generations of oppression and systemic disenfranchisement. Does that apply to everyone? Is he saying that Africans were just to agreeable so we had to enslave them...... Broken as logic.
Yes, I'm going to first prove God doesn't exist, then I will work on proving the negative with JP ..... You can't prove a negative my dude. If you are making the claim that he empowers young men, it's up to you to provide the evidence that proves it.