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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I think if I were any non-US government I'd be very seriously thinking about not using Microsoft software at this time, particularly if it connects to the cloud. And that goes for companies with government contracts, or merely companies who are potential targets of industrial espionage.

That said, LibreOffice needs to tap the EU for funding to broaden its features and also improve the UX because it's not great tbh. It can be extremely frustrating using LibreOffice after using MS Office, in part because the UI is so different, noisy with esoteric actions, and very unrefined compared to its MS counterpart. That needs funding and to get to the point that somebody can pick up LibreOffice for the first time and not be surprised or stuck by the way it behaves.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

When it comes to the UI, I guess it depends on what you're used to. The LibreOffice UI is a lot more similar to the UI used by MS Office 2003, so I've always been pretty comfortable with it. But Microsoft's "ribbon" UI which debuted back in 2007 is now old enough to vote, so I can see how there are people out there where that's all they've ever used.

Personally, while I've learned to deal with it in Word and Outlook, even after all of these years the ribbon still pisses me off every time I have to use Excel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

The ribbon was contentious but most people are familiar with it and it has advantages like taskcentricity and less clutter. LibreOffice has an experimental ribbon that I think should be worked on, mainstreamed and set during installation or in the settings.

UX in other areas should be improved. Lots of little annoyances add up for new users and can break their opinions. It's not hard to look over the UI and see things which have no business being there, or should only appear in certain contexts, or could be implemented in better ways. I think the project should get some MS Office volunteers into a lab and ask them to do things and observe their problems. I'd have power Word, Excel, Powerpoint users come in and do non-trivial things they normally do and see where they trip up or even if they can do what they need.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

Anyone else think that this could lead enough pish for IT independence that a company starts selling micro clouds. Jist a bog ole computer that handles a semi local cloud say at a campus scale. Amd we just swing back to mainframes

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 hours ago

Lets go Libreoffice. I hope to see more FOSS projects embraced.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

If the EU liberates itself from US tech dependence through FOSS, we don't only liberate ourselves, we liberate the world.

If the EU invests massively in free and open source software, pretty soon all across the world countries will hop on the FOSS-train.

If FOSS catches on, it shows to the world the power of collaboration. A power we have mostly forgotten, thinking that competition is a better idea. But competition alone is shit. To give an example. Here in the Netherlands we're very proud of ASML, a company that makes the machines needed to produce microchips. They're famous because they're unique, in that no other company is able to produce these machines. It's a competitive success, but obviously it's holding us all back. If they'd share their knowledge companies across the world could try to improve on these machines, speeding up innovation. I'm supposed to think China's corporate espionage is a crime, but to be honest I feel like not sharing such crucial information with the world is the actual crime. The power of collaboration is easily underestimated, let's give it a try.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 14 hours ago

Libreoffice for the fucking win!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

More linux adoption is great. Steam deck and this will help push it forward. Next step would be something like the steam machines

[–] [email protected] 11 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

I wonder if it creates more inhouse sysadmin jobs? When you buy a license from M$ you also get tech support. But if you have problems with open source, you gotta go get a computer person

[–] [email protected] 16 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

But if you have problems with open source, you gotta go get a computer person

  • Not necessarily, most commercial enterprise Linux distros sell support contracts, for example, RHEL and SUSE being the two most famous examples of that.
[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah true, but these are more business to business. RHEL support is pretty expensive, and in my experience Oracle support (maybe not really open source) is both terrible and ridiculously expensive. Maybe this will create a market for more consumer like support. Maybe that could even create new business models for open source software.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

I think you're right about creating demand for more consumer like support, someone in in another comment chain on this post mentioned several Danish municipalities doing something similar with their schools...

Is there a relevant cert to do this kind of work yet? I think it would be interesting to do Linux tech support. Maybe just find a junk laptop and work my way through the Arch wiki breaking and fixing stuff (since my main Linux distro has been incredibly hands off so far)?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago

Not necessarily, lots of open source projects offer enterprise support contracts and in house staff could be retrained. Definitely going to be good for training, consulting, and MSPs though

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago

Hopefully. But I think companies are already starting to realise the value of having your bytes in a place you control

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Possibly does. On occasion I read about German cities trying to do similar, but then reverting back to M$.

Most of the issues are around people not wanting to take time to get use to new software (happened at a job where they moved to GSuite) or the FOSS stuff not having a corporation that can be sued for loss of earnings (like crowd strike when they didn't read only friday). Note that these are not technical issues with FOSS.

Still there is political support to not just use this as an angle to get M$ to lower their pricing.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

There are infinite i documented "things" integrated with Microsoft solutions. Just of the top of my head, here are couple that i've encountered

  • SCADA software

  • Entire business critical database application written in access

  • Hundreds of tailor made order documents for logistics that are made with Excel

  • Accounting software that only runs on Windows

  • The immense cost of moving all of your projects from the web that is teams/sharepoint/OneDrive

[–] [email protected] 48 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Because they are free and any government getting rid of all Microsoft licensed software will save hundreds of millions per year.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago

The best thing Europe could do is take those savings and use it to cover the salaries of a couple full time developers per country to help verify code and add new features.

It would be such a boon to the whole world.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

It's because libre office doesn't spy on you.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I'd think it would be obvious that a country wouldn't want to depend on a foreign country's proprietary product when an open source alternative exists. Even if it's not spying, what if the US forced Microsoft to put some kill switch on their products? Even if it doesn't affect your most secure systems because of air gap, it could still cripple enough to cause huge problems.

There's simply no reason to take the risk.

If I was running a government, I would strongly desire proof that all of my government software is doing only what I want it to. That means not only do I have access to the source code, but I also need it to be simple enough that my government teams can actually audit all of it.

Obviously, that's not going to be feasible in every situation. There might be proprietary software that is protected from competition via IP laws, and some software is so necessarily complex that it would be really hard to audit completely, but overall, I find it shocking that any foreign government would run a Microsoft product when a feature comparable open source alternative exists.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Plus everyone benefits. Even Microsoft would benefit from healthy competition... Instead of making shit software, they should fix the problems.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago

M$ and Apple both extensively use OSS projects in the creation and maintenance of their own products. And neither really fund many/any of the projects they use. So this would directly benefit them even further.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Also good and free: Sumatra You can read any pdf.

Libre office drawer you can sign. No need for acrobat or any of that garbage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

Sumatra? I am going to take note of that.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

north germany is doing the same.

anyone remember limux? bill gates attacked german democracy bribing munich to drop limux in favor if windows in exchange for 8000 jobs.

fuck the windows user too though.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

The funny thing about that story, and the outset that no one covered after the fact, is that Munich reversed direction again and ultimately did go with Linux and open source stacks.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (11 children)

Important notice in this regard is that there is agreement on this among both left and right wing politicians.
So this is NOT something that will change with new administrations in either government or local communities.

When this is implemented, I don't see any way for Microsoft to get that business back!

Edit PS:
It's not just office, it's also mail and cloud services.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 20 hours ago

I’m a Dane and I approve this, massively.

[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Also Microsoft products have become enshitified beyond recognition.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago

I can't recall a single MS product that ever was good. Maybe I was late to the party (or quit early, as lots of people seam to like vscode for some reason)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 20 hours ago

I teach boomers how to use SharePoint. Last week Microsoft updated office.com to be 95% copilot. The only way to find “All Apps” (word, SharePoint, PowerPoint, excel, etc.) is to find the tiny little “apps” button all the way at the bottom of the screen.

Everything else is copilot. Everyone is confused and my job just got 100% harder.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just earlier this week I created some Sharepoint folders for my father-in-laws business. I created the groups in Outlook and used the ”See files in Sharepoint”-button to access them. Next it required to ask for permission for him to the folder. I granted them using his own account. It was funny because the request was literally John Doe asked John Doe for permission, and the emails were identical too. So I granted him his own access with his own account.

The funniest thing though was that the process was different all of the four times, like different links opening to completely different tools. Now I’m not a Microsoft MVP and probably did it the wrong way, but at least I had fun doing it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Today I tried to get some files from Teams that I hadn't used in a year or so.

Error.

Something went wrong [7q6ck]

Works ok on my phone for now though so at least I got past that road block for today.

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[–] [email protected] 159 points 1 day ago (5 children)

tl;dr: "digital sovereignty". "EU leaders are seeking to reduce Europe's dependence on foreign technology providers, primarily those from the United States, and to assert greater control over its digital infrastructure, data, and technological future."

Fair enough and makes sense. Every country should be trying to be as independant as possible IMO.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I always wondered how any head of state could feel like they were not being spied on if they were using windows.

Can governments really ensure that windows has been secured that well or is there always a possibility that Microsoft is spying for the United States?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 19 hours ago

Is it because they're better and free? It's because they're better and free. I bet that's it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 20 hours ago

LETS GOOOOOOO

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 day ago

Can't happen fast enough.

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