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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Capitalism went so hard it fucked up its future workforce

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

I can confirm this is not just in the land of burgers. Back in the war from October to December, I fleed to Germany and went to school there, and the stuff I saw where absolutely disgusting: kids were using ipads (ibads) given to them by the school, the computers ran windows on them, and every time even a single task came up, they would directly resort to artificial unintelligence. When the "ceasefire" started and I finally went back to Lebanon, most of the kids were using Artificial unintelligence to write their essays as well. I don't blame these kids, they don't know better, they don't know how artificial unintelligence is trained from the stolen work of the people, they don't know what non-free software is, and they don't know how these devices/software are tracking their every move. It's up to the school's to teach them such and schools are doing a terrible job both in America and internationally.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

When I asked him why he had gone through so much trouble to get to an Ivy League university only to off-load all of the learning to a robot, he said, “It’s the best place to meet your co-founder and your wife.”

Yikes.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

Where are these kids getting these ideas?

That only works if you're already fantastically wealthy.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's breathtaking how quickly the President of the United States and his good South African buddy can topple a superpower.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 days ago (1 children)
  • Teachers are overworked, underpaid, some still using course work that hasn't been updated in years despite what the field has advanced
  • Students go into college due to the social expectation, some even unsure of what to get into as a career or even a class
  • Exceeding above the course requirements does nothing for your GPA, an A that got a "110%" and an A that got 90% are the same.
  • Students failing or passing still rack up debt for this social expectation
  • Teachers still failing to pay bills for this social need

Yeah AI is the fault here, its not the system at large been fucked over since Reagan.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well yeah the education system is the burning tire fire and AI is tech bros pouring gasoline all over it

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Prelude to the society Vonnegut wrote about in 'Player Piano' and Bradbury in 'Farenheit 451'

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

And Isaac Asimov's The Feeling of Power, a short story about a man who can do mathematics in his head, a skill long forgotten after computers do all calculations for humanity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

basically idiocracy, in idiocracy, it was the AI supercomputer that was running the whole society for the 500years, it was assigning jobs, or removing jobs, or doing other stuff.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Ah yes, goal misalignment at its finest.

The students need high grades to get a job, so they focus on ensuring that happens (AI use being the easy path).

The teachers have progression targets to meet, so they focus on ensuring this happens (keep the AI vulnerable assessments).

If you want to change a module as a teacher, good luck getting that work loaded when you should be implementing AI in your curriculum ^_^

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It’s kinda funny cause usually isn’t it the AI agent that has a misaligned goal? Like when I say don’t die, and it discovers that pausing Tetris technical means you never die. But now it’s students that have been given the wrong goal: pass the test by whatever means (e.g. use AI).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

That's the real joke behind it all, the use of AI is such a problem because we're turning education into a stamp dispenser - everyone needs an A* to get anywhere.

AI has given every student a path to this - however if industry stopped demanding that universities train their damn staff for them, and instead insist we teach their future staff how to be trained (as well as giving them subject specific knowledge), then we'd see the misalignment vanish. Once the need for an A* to land a good job is gone, then so is the misalignment.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

If success is determined by a metric, the metric will go up. Any relation to actual increase in value is coincidental. Lol. Long ago someone tried to incentivize programers by giving abonus per bug fixed. Didn't last long before they blew through the bonus budget and realized the programers were putting in bugs so they could fix them. (Urban legend really... probably)

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

Yet they keep shoving it down our throats forcing us to delete entire systems to be rid of it

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Imagine paying tens of thousands of dollars (probably of their parents saved money) to go to university and have a chatbot do the whole thing for you.

These kids are going to get spit out into a world where they will have no practical knowledge and no ability to critically think or adapt.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Do you really think schools teach critical thinking and practical knowledge? State mandated education is geared to produce people who are smart enough to run the system and stupid enough not to question it. The fact that this dullard factory is being distrupted by what is essentially an electronic parrot speaks volumes about the whole charade.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

I'm not talking about state mandated education. Nobody is required to attend university.

If you go to a college worth attending, they will teach you critical thinking skills as part of the course requirements.

Regardless, the situation with generative AI is not helping in that regard.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

This was true before AI, it's just going to be 10x worse with AI

[–] [email protected] 80 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Is it really screwing up the education system, or is it just revealing how screwed up it already was?

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Unpopular opinion:

I am a public school teacher and I support public schools, but there have been a lot of issues with our education system for a long time. Talk to any kid with ADHD who had to sit through 12 years, and they are indicative of a larger problem. Our idea of school now is as a place that teaches kids to behave and mostly follow rote instruction. Wouldn't it be so much better if we were teaching kids to be creative thinkers, work well in groups, problem solve, and think critically about the information they're getting? We know that's what school should be, but maybe now we will be forced to go there. Yes, there will be issues like learned helplessness and certain skills being difficult to teach, but it's kind of exciting too.

Though it's also possible that public schools will close and only the wealthy kids will be well-educated... can we not, please?

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago

Yes and no. Remember that rich kids could always hire ghost writers. ChatGPT made that available to the masses, but that particular problem goes back centuries.

What we have seen is that the curriculum is often decided by a distant committee who actually doesn't understand life on the ground. In reality, there are easy ways for teachers to undercut the utility of ChatGPT, if they have the freedom to make changes. But that depends on teachers having control and the time to make changes to how they teach.

[–] [email protected] 150 points 2 days ago (64 children)

NGL, it’s really f*cking depressing when you give students 30m to create something of their own imagination, and they do it in the first minute with chatGPT and spend the other 29m playing games the phone and asking to “go to the bathroom” whenever they notice someone in the hallway.

The excuses you hear when you do something so oppressive as to request they keep their phones in their own backpacks for the duration of the task.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 2 days ago (18 children)

I regularly advocate for banning phones from schools but people here in Lemmy (same on Reddit years ago) completely lose their shit with that idea, start talking how that'll leave them defenseless in an emergency, how it is torture, how they absolutely can't live without them

Not thirty years ago nobody had cellphones in school, they barely existed, and everything was fine, everyone was fine without and with cellphones I see so much shit going on. Yes, it's the Future, kids need cellphones, but they also need to learn to be without cellphone, and they need to learn responsible use.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I mean, you could probably solve this shit by restricting the types of phones used to dumb phones. Phones only capable of texting and calls. Perhaps some basic access to school websites and Wikipedia too. Everything else default blacklisted.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

What's breathtaking is how clueless education system administrators are failing at their jobs. They've been screwing up the system for a very long time, and now they have a whole new set of shiny objects to spend your money on.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 21 hours ago

If we decide to ban smartphones from schools we should ban them from work too. I'm supposed to be writing an article right now and instead I'm here. Then we should ban them from streets so that people have to pay attention to where they are going and the things going on around them. At that point we'd have something like functioning human beings again instead of mindless zombies. We could still have terminals for plugging into the Machine but our time with it should be regulated (like it already is with research clusters) so that we don't waste energy. There, the whole problem is solved and all it takes is a global butlerian jihad.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 days ago (26 children)

That's going to be great fun when the AI bubble pops and the subscription prices go up exponentially.

On the other hand, there have been other opinions about education that say it should be about making or researching something. Give a student a goal and let them figure it out using chatbots or whatever.

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