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[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 hours ago

Highlighting the main issue here (from the article):

“This means that it is possible for the WhatsApp server to add new members to a group,” Martin R. Albrecht, a researcher at King's College in London, wrote in an email. “A correct client—like the official clients—will display this change but will not prevent it. Thus, any group chat that does not verify who has been added to the chat can potentially have their messages read.”

[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

If you want your group memberships to be known only by the group members, use Signal.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 hours ago

Or https://simplex.chat/ where there are no identifiers like phone numbers or any other identifier.

Security review was done by trail of bits.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Just be sure to add only the people you want to be there. I've heard someone people add others and it's a bit messy

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

How bad can it be, it's not like we're sharing state secrets

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

We're clean on OpSec

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

Or P2P stuff like Briar :)

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 hours ago

Just use signal is not a valid statement in a world where vast majority of people aren't using (and won't use) it. I have been trying to get people to install it and have a total of 6 over several years. They only use it to communicate with me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Or Matrix (warning some assembly required)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

WhatsApp isn’t the only messenger lacking cryptographic assurances for new group members. In 2022, a team that included some of the same researchers that analyzed WhatsApp found that Matrix—an open source and proprietary platform for chat and collaboration clients and servers—also provided no cryptographic means for ensuring only authorized members join a group. The Telegram messenger, meanwhile, offers no end-to-end encryption for group messages, making the app among the weakest for ensuring the confidentiality of group messages.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 hours ago

That study was 3 years ago, features to create private (invite only) group chats are supported now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

an open source and proprietary platform

Are parts of matrix closed source?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

I actually found xmpp to be a breeze compared to most Matrix solutions.

Synapse is bloated, dendrite sucks and conduit is in perpetual beta and the uwu forks die too fast.

XMPP:

  1. Install Snikket
  2. Reverse proxy
  3. Done
[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Duh, how else is Zuckerberg going to spy on you and sell your data back to you?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

It's not called Meta data by accident 🤣