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Wait aren't all airplane wings bid inspired?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

If you listen to the actual talk the bird they are talking about is an albatross and they are simply saying that to improve efficiency you need to make the wings longer and slimmer but then the plane will not fit in current aiport gates so they are working on folding wings.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Wait, so what has been inspiring wings up to this?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Bumble bees are actually inspiring wing designs now. For a long time our best theories on aerodynamics couldn't explain how Bumblebees could fly. Given the relative mass and wing size the bumble bee they couldn't explain how a bumble bee could fly.

In the last decade or so they figured it out after putting enough bumble bees into wind tunnels. Bumblebees generate additional lift by creating little vortexes in the air. So now wing designers are trying to incorporate that effect into their designs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Is this for real? Or a continuation of the meme?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Depends how bad the turbulence is.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Yes actually.

(They fold like a Navy carrier plane so they will fit at existing airport gates.)

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago (12 children)

Airbus explained that it ran the numbers and found that, while it could build a successful hydrogen airliner, the plane would be successful in the same way that Concorde was successful. In other words, a technological triumph, but a commercial failure.

Just like any other hydrogen powered... Anything.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It's because hydrogen is a terrible fuel. In theory it could work, but there were so many practical problems with compressing the hydrogen into storage tanks and then keeping it in those storage tanks but the amount of effort you have to go through to make it work completely negates any performance benefits.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But its only exhaust is PuRe wATeR!! /s

It still makes me LOL to see people tout this, when battery EVs don’t exhaust anything.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Alas, battery EV passenger jets are a long way off.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They are without significant improvements in battery technology. Lithium Ion simply doesn't have the energy density to be able to lift its own weight.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's also the fact that they are too explosive to conform to flight safety standards.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Well I mean so it is kerosene technically

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

also most hydrogen now is not green at all, the production of it uses methane and releases CO2. only a small percent of hydrogen is truly green, and very expensive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I take from that, that we will only get technological breakthroughs away from oil after we break everything down and rebuild from scratch. Because the economy that allowed setting up fuel infrastructure a century ago, is now a much tighter fit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

It's more that Hydrogen is an inherently shit way of powering a vehicle, and liquid fuels are much easier to store and transport.

Biofuels are a much better option, in my view.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Higher for hire

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Ohh ee ohh!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Never heard it called the birch bitch.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Hell yeah the wood plane

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How many blades do you have to add to a turboprop before it's promoted to an open turbofan and touted as a major new innovation?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Based on my image search engineering, the answer to your question is 2.

Based on my one semester of air breathing propulsion that I took 25 years ago, I'm guessing there is more going on inside the turbine part of the engine that both allows sustainable fuels that current turbofans can't and also allows compression ratios at lower fan speeds that allows an open fan with fewer blades. Again, I barely passed air breathing propulsion back then and haven't used ANY of that knowledge since, so I'm mostly talking out of my ass.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I've seen turboprops in museums and on the internet with around six or eight blades. When I looked on the Wikipedia page for propfan engines, which seems to be another name for an open turbofan, the distinction seemed to be mainly how the blades were shaped (like propellor blades or turbine blades) and how tightly-integrated everything is (you can swap the propeller out on a turboprop).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't think the number of blades is really important. After all if you just keep adding blades eventually you would get to a point of diminishing returns. That's around four blades which is why most only have four blades, unless they're made out of incredibly light material.

So if you have a lot of extra blades there probably is some additional engineering going on to make use of those extra blades in some way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I was meaning that the blade count and detachability was the difference in definition between turboprop and propfan/open turbofan, not that it was necessarily the thing making the engine more efficient.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I guess this is why so many boeing airplanes have been falling out the sky nowadays. They forgot and accidentally based their aiplanes on land dwelling vetrebrates.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Lol.

Lead engineer: "oh did you say bird, okay I thought you said bear."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I think it was a bee. After all everyone knows that bees can't fly.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Rocket designs are worm(-with-diarrhea)-inspired!!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's a great description!

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

So not the picture in the thumbnail but a generic jet

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So, they are building a DeHavaland-Canada Dash-7 ?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Yes, frozen gas powered Dash-7!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

To me "next generation" and propellers just don't mix, but I know nothing. Just want my jetpack.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Mentour Pilot did a great video on these open fan engines a few months ago. They’re somewhere between a turboprop and a turbofan. They’re better than traditional turboprops in that they’re able to handle higher cruise speeds like a turbofan, and they’re more efficient than turbofans due to a higher effective bypass ratio like a turboprop.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

You can pry my aging Bombardier Dash 8 from my COLD DEAD WINGTIPS.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Plot twist: And they'll stick pack their passengers like sardines.

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