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Love her or hate her (and my opinions are mixed), I must confess, JK Rowling was a huge influence on why I didn't become a regular author. No shade on people who get what they paid for, but the young reader crowd is just so gimmicky, and not in a good way, and you see that with a lot of works like Percy Jackson and Twilight (but also predominantly with Rowling's work). How do you compete in such a no-rules game?

So then let's talk about one of the cores of the issue. People often have an epiphany when divulging into Harry Potter, and they think "huh, what's the deal with this if that thing is how it is". While noting that conflicts in literary analysis don't always reflect something that doesn't add up and that it could be a hiccup in details/semantics, the questions themselves don't go away. And there's nothing that matches the amount of those having to do with Harry Potter. What example of which strikes you as the most overlooked?

If Rowling herself ever notices that I'm bringing this up, let it be known I do think of her work as a reskinned Brothers Grimm in the universe of The Worst Witch and that I'm collaborating with another author (Samantha Rinne) whose work I would argue deserves Rowling's prestige if Rowling's work deserves it. Thanks (and here is where I run for the hills).

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The spell system is wack, which opens up all sorts of plot holes. Want Harry's invisibility cloak? Accio invisibility cloak! Boom, Harry's visible and you've got his cloak. I doubt that Rowling ever played D&D.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

There's no fucking way that a kid raised from infancy like Harry was, in a abusive hateful household that treated him like dirt, would have enough strength of character to pull shit like the "Give it here, Malfoy" scene after having been out of the Dursley household for less than a couple weeks. Think about how the Dursleys would have reacted every time young Harry tried to stand up for himself. It would have been nonstop physical and mental abuse, all aimed at making him more subservient. It would take a miracle for a kid like that to be even vaguely functional as a person, and he certainly wouldn't have the ability to stand up for himself, let alone others.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Harry's character is larger-than-life strong, but that's fictional heroes for you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

This one can actually be known, since you're just talking about human nature. I do think it's possible to come out of the situation strong willed. He'd need other strong parental figures, such as teachers. It would also require a great amount of resilience, and would no doubt leave with a fair share of mental health issues. But you could totally be emboldened even after a traumatic upbringing like that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Yeah it's actually a weak criticism. Such strength of character is rare but there are still many examples in real life. Oprah Winfrey and Drew Barrymore come to my mind right away.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I always cringe with the 7th book, where the trio is hiding and searching for horkruxes, and for some weird reason they don't have enough food and are constantly hungry. From the reading perspective I understand, that the hunger is a device to generate conflict and make their time hard to endure, but it always baffles me.

  • It is mentioned, that Hermione pulled out all her muggle savings, so why didn't she think about going to a supermarket and buying all the conserved food (cans and such) she can before they got on the run? She even mentions, that food can be multiplicated, just not created out of nothing.
  • When they are hiding they sometimes get to a store or supermarket. But that only brings food for like a few days max. Why not more?
  • And when there where too many dementors in an area to get more food, why not going really far away. We know Hermione was at least one time in France with her parents. Why not going there? Probably the war-like situation was not spread over the complete world that seriously. At least we are not hearing any of that in the books (JKR probably didn't even thing much about international things when writing this)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

Doesn't Hermione also have a basically infinite bag of holding? It really doesn't make sense

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 hours ago

Irrational soft magic system - anything can happen for any reason, so the story doesn't matter at all.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

I don't know if it's a plot hole per se, but when do they learn maths and science? If they' at Hogwarts for 7 years, and they only learn magic, when exactly do they learn the usual subjects? Are they just stupid because they don't learn them?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 40 minutes ago

While I think that can be explained away with the idea that the magic is so OP they don't actually need to know science. To use the Rowlings own tidbit as an example, why bother with toilets when you can simply magic away your shit.

And that also leads to what IMO is the biggest plot point nobody really thinks about. That there's a secret society of magic users who almost exclusively use magic, and the "muggle" society has no idea of its existence.

Think about all the things we've discovered. Electromagnetism is pretty much magic, we figured that out. Atoms are pretty much magic, not only did we figure out atoms we figured out what atoms consist of. Einstein predicted black holes, something so out there that even Einstein doubted his prediction, we later discovered and modeled it. We can literally come up with absolutely insane ideas and then come up with ways to prove or disprove those ideas. There's no chance we wouldn't figure out the existence of magic and a secret society if we saw glimpses of something that makes us go "hmm, that's interesting".

You could argue that they use magic to hide magic from us, but they'd have to know about what we are doing to make sure we don't accidentally stumble into discovering magic. But Arthur Weasley makes it pretty clear wizards don't understand how our world works. They don't know what we're doing so their secret society is literally at the mercy of us not just noticing it.

So the secret of society pretty much exists on the premise that we're too stupid to figure out Magic, but smart enough to create the society we have.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 hours ago

I think like the vast majority of them are just dumb and some are like savants. Everyone other than like a couple people in the book are just copying magic routinely. Only Snape and a few other characters are cooking up any new magic theory.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 hours ago

That would explain a lot of the nonsense in their society

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 hours ago

Not really a plot hole, but a missed opportunity. Dumbledore's Phoenix could have shown up to help Snape - putting Harry in a mindfuck state as he would know both that Snape killed him and that Snape was loyal to him.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Like a hundred or so teenagers of whom a large part went to some regular school and had regular non-wizard friends would suddenly either completely cut off contact as if devoured by a cult or dead or the kids are assumed to just successfully lie about not being fucking magic.

It's utterly ridiculous. Imagine if it was hidden from the Dursley's somehow and that Harry spent summers there bullied by Dudley. That he would never snap and tell or do magic?

Or that people like Dudley would keep their mouth shut for their entire lives?

Nah.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I mean I don't think that's a plot hole at all actually. That's just like how the world works. People change schools. There's tons of people I knew in one school and then when I moved to another I lost contact with completely. That's how life works.

As for the dursley's keeping their mouth shut, there were you know threats involved. At multiple times they're threatened by a giant who mutilated their child at one point. Plus there's the whole institutional Threat Level involving being able to make you forget who you are. Also pretty sure Harry does snap a couple times.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago (12 children)

Who would believe him? If Dudley or his family started claiming there were wizards out to get them they would go to the Looney bin.

They can also mind wipe people. In Fantastic Beasts Newt obliviates all of New York City with the Thunderbird.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Life's change and people move on. But people who completely vanish, come back on holidays, can't say shit (as if they wouldn't, they definitely do as we know from the characters) so spread the secret.

And this happens for hundreds of people. Every year. For centuries.

And one assumes those kids never return to muggle jobs either. No heir to an industrial fortune who suddenly is born a wizard and vanishes? Security can't follow them to school. Even if they come to obliviate the private security, since the head of the muggle department at the ministry doesn't understand what a light bulb is, they're not going to understand what surveillance cameras are.

So yeah. It just wouldn't work unless you make that assumption. Suspense of disbelief, sure, but that is the bit that makes zero sense and os covered with utter bullshit logic that doesn't remotely work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 minutes ago

I assumed that the muggle interaction was a huge part of what the ministry of magic does. They employ a shitload of wizards and Ron's dad specifically works on Muggle Tech... I assumed he had coworkers that do the same.

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