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The US is actually going to implement a nationwide abortion ban and the measures for how it's gonna be handled are already in the works (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24607393

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The US is actually going to implement a nationwide abortion ban and the measures for how it's going to be handled are already in the works. This bill, which I link to here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/7/text , seems ok at first glance and only seems to want to implement nationwide healthcare centers for women. But when you actually look at what these Pro Women's Healthcare Centers are and mean to offer, it becomes really clear what's going on.

On the first page of the PDF or booklet that appear when you search for the healthcare centers it is clear that they are supported by pro-life organisations and hold extreme pro-life values. And when you read the (very short) booklet it states their values and services that are to be provided. Among them is a requirement for "Abortion Pill Reversal" and encouragement for "Sterilization Reversal". The last page clearly states their values, where among them it states that:

"Abortion is not women's healthcare, because of the damage it causes to women's physical and emotional health and the destruction of unborn life, many of whom are females. Abortion is usually something women turn to when they feel they do not have another choice. This is a tragedy and the opposite of choice and empowerment."

And it goes on to list similiar values. The bill to implement these healthcare centers states that:

"That the House of Representatives—

(1) expresses its support for women nationwide to have access to comprehensive, convenient, compassionate, life-affirming, high-quality health care; and

(2) recognizes the high standards established by Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers consortium as standards worth implementing nationwide."

This means that the values that these Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers have are to be set as standards nationwide.

A link to the PDF/booklet about the Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers (PWHC): https://nacn-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/PWHC-Booklet.pdf

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[–] [email protected] 145 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Ok states rights crowd, fuck around and find out with my states constitutional protection of abortion.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I'm really curious how California will handle that one. I would expect Newsom to fall in line as part of the protected class, but he is a politician and cares about reelection.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

state laws, including their constitutions, mean zip when federal law or the nation's constitution conflicts and takes precedence.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not really true. States can't infringe on rights granted by the constitution but they can add rights. See: infingement of 2A rights by states and legalized cannabis at the state level, respectively. Look at federal drinking age laws. States had lower ages until the feds pressured States by witholding interstate road funding...

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Right we were just hoping for the two braincells to fire and them realizing that it was never about states rights

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

Cognitive dissonance doesn't work on those people

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[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Pro Women’s Healthcare"

😡😡😡😡😡😡

Fucking propagandists

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Something straight out of 1984. When I read the novel in high school I was naive enough to believe it would never be reflected irl to quite this degree.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The more accurate analogy would be The Handmaiden’s Tale.

Absolutely terrifying. And once the underground railroads fire up to bring women refugees to Canada, I’ll do my part to help.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

They aren't really off with 1984. "The ministry of peace" being the department of war and all that. Pro Women's health actually being anti women's health.

It's so gross...

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You all voted for this shit.

If you stayed home then you voted for this shit.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I think you will be hard pressed to find Republicans on Lemmy. There might be some, but not that many.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I voted for Harris to try to prevent these horrors out of harm reduction.

But the Neoliberals haven't given us anything to vote for for half a century.

Good cop neoliberals with affirmation ribbons/bad cop Fascists with scapegoats, both for human beings dying in the streets for the crime of no longer being able capitalist exploitation livestock in droves as a threat to laborers to produce for their shared donors.

A vote for democrats is a vote for quiet slaughter, a vote for Republicans is a vote for loud, braggadocious slaughter. We don't get a vote for peace. We don't get a vote on the economy. Only the social wedges that don't meaningfully effect quarterly earnings expectations.

Luigi tried showing us who our shared enemy is, and it isn't their revolving door middle managers in DC.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 week ago (56 children)

yes. elections have consequences. republicans haven't been coy about wanted to outlaw abortion nationwide at the federal level. enough democrats didn't vote in the last election (mostly young people for whom these bans will effect the most, and cause the most harm) to ensure republicans now control ever branch of united states government, the legislative (both house of congress), the judicial (doj and the supreme court), and executive (the presidency). that's a clean sweep, and a wide pipe for the monsters to do just about anything they want to. congratulations.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

For anyone that needs this information, you can (currently) order abortion medicine online in any state. I did it today and it was stupid easy to do. I'm not pregnant, but I wanted to order some as a just-in-case for myself or others.

The Plan C website has a great list of websites you can order from if you're not pregnant. It costs about $150 and some offer financial assistance if you need it. But please do it NOW.

I ordered one from Aid access and one from safe choice. Both asked a few questions that didn't ask for personal information or ID. They mostly just need an email, address to send it, and a credit/debit card to pay.

Good luck out there everyone.

Edit: just to clarify I'm not talking about plan B. I'm talking about medication meant to induce an abortion at up to 13 weeks of gestation. mifepristone and misoprostol specifically.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

I’m a woman who does not have sex with men but I got myself plan b just in case of emergency like a rape.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Do you happen to know the shelf-life of the medicine? Thank you so much for that resource. Likewise, I don’t need it, but I’d like to be a help to others who may find themselves in a difficult situation.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

fact sheet for Plan B One-Step says the medicine expires after four years

Interesting coincidence

https://www.health.com/news/does-plan-b-expire

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Not an answer, but the Army found that pills (non liquid gel caps) were often stable for quite a long time with only minor efficacy loss.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I drove to a friend to Kansas last year for an abortion. I still don't know if it was mine. Either way if those services weren't available then she would have suffered tremendously by having that baby. As badly as I wanted that baby to be mine it didn't matter in the end because it's her body not mine. It's a simple as that and fuck anyone that wants to take those rights away

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

You did the right thing, I feel for you both.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Mildly infuriating?

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, if a nation wants to fight a big war within 15 years, first they need to grow soldiers, right?

if they ban abortion and then set up a pipeline from orphanages to army then you get a lot of jackboots in 15ish years

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't think the US flights ground wars. We're more about drones now. I'm thinking this is cheap labor for the farms once we kick out the foreigners.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago

"abortion pill reversal" sounded like bullshit to me, so I looked it up.

Here's what ACOG has to say: Facts Are Important: Medication Abortion "Reversal" Is Not Supported by Science

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (4 children)

credit for this post to : @[email protected]

Hi Denimaww,

i saw that you made the above post into the "politics" community which has rules preventing posting anything that is not based on a newspaper article. This must be why it was removed in that community and which is why i recuperated your post and gave you credit in this community here. Also, i see that you are new to Lemmy and i wish to welcome you here. This sites' learning curve could be a bit steep. Please don't hesitate to ask for advice.

Take care 😌

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

if only the government had an 'efficiency' expert on staff.. one would expect their evaluation of this proposal to be something like this:

we already have a long-time, trusted nationwide network of health care clinics.. for women (and men).. that provides reproductive care (and more). absolutely no sense in reinventing the wheel, when this one has been going for 108 years. the easiest, cheapest, and most efficient thing to do would be to toss them some federal funds every year, let them provide the care that's needed--where it's needed, and stay the fuck out of the exam room and out of their way.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is not hippocratic or woman centred and you said tremendous twice within ten words you crazy sods.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Currently this abortion info/help community seems defunct, but it might be worth trying to revive in some manner. I don’t have time right this moment, but it’s something I’ll look into helping with in the near future (like next week):

https://lemmy.ml/c/auntienetwork

(I’m not sure how linking on Lemmy works yet, so hopefully that comes through ok.)

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well....now guys, we must not have sex with women. We should have clubs where we help each other thru the power of masturbation.

We're doing this for you women! And we're chopping our balls off...America's got talent never heard notes as high as we'll have in the next few years!