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[–] [email protected] 65 points 4 days ago (8 children)

You guys should start bulking up your militaries. At best, the US will completely abandon you, and I really don't want to think about worst-case scenario as I live in the US.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 4 days ago (2 children)

yall need to get off the high horse and take a joke sometimes. you terrorized the entire world via colonization for hundreds of years through modern day, if people harmlessly stereotype the german or french, make fun of british people, or tease the dutch language, yall can handle it

for context, im american. we get bullied all the time, and while not all americans are fat and stupid, the combination of that many are and that we've terrorized the world plenty make me think a lil teasing is fair

[–] [email protected] 58 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Yes it's perfectly fair and most of us don't mind.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (16 children)

EU institutions are just as regulatory captured as everywhere else. The EU bureaucracy is horribly inefficient with tons of unfirable "human drones" making 2x for the same role one does in the the private market, where they just do 1/10x of the work. The only reason EU is not quite as corrupt as USA is ironically because all the competing rich fuckers of each nation are competing with each other's lobbying

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 4 days ago (23 children)

Based on the comments it looks like Europeans weren't ready to hear some of these things. 😉 Let me pile on...

Innovation in Europe is stiffled due to a risk-averse culture, complex regulatory environments, fragmented markets across different countries, limited access to venture capital, and a tendency for established companies to be less receptive to new ideas from startups, making it harder for innovative companies to scale up (compared to the US).

[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 days ago (4 children)

regulatory environments

Regulations are written in the blood of the victims.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago

The sound from my portable bluetooth speaker. But that's mostly because it's a shitty speaker and you can barely hear it when it's sitting 3 feet away let alone when there's at minimum an ocean between you and it.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Idolizing the past (and long gone) 'grandeur' of some European countries is not the best way to prepare for the future.

edit: as a disclaimer, I'm European from one of those once important countries.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 4 days ago (8 children)

How would people who live outside of Europe know what Europeans are not ready to hear? As someone who lives in the U.S. I know only a couple of people IRL who live in Europe.

The thing my European friend was not ready to hear was that all his complaining about the social programs in his home country and the high taxes and so on comes across as entitled and spoiled. Because he's never lived without the benefits of a state that will provide healthcare and so on, he is free to complain about his privileges and glorify the U.S. as a place where individual citizens fill in the responsibilities that the government should fulfill. He sees this as an unmitigated good, because he thinks it means more civic engagement.

What he doesn't understand is that this results in most people falling through the cracks, and until he falls through one of those cracks himself it won't be real to him how bad it is to not be able to afford losing wages because you are sick or injured, or what it's like when you can't afford to see a doctor when you break a bone or get so sick you can't leave your house.

That said, I'm not sure every European needs to hear this, or that they're not ready to hear it - just this one person seemed to be a little delusional and to have idealized the U.S. as some kind of right-wing libertarian utopia.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago (40 children)

Europeans like to pretend they're innocent, but they are the benefactors of most the damaging empires to have ever existed. They colonized nearly the entire world, extracting value from other cultures while destroying them. They pulled out once it was financially wise, keeping the wealth they extracted and leaving behind the destruction they created. They then blame everyone else for their issues while bragging about how awesome the EU is while overlooking that the EU is only possible due to the wealth they stole from everyone else. Europe likes to discuss that they had their social hardship discussing WWII, but the origin and impact of WWII there was internal to Europe. Had Europe been subject to colonization from elsewhere, it would be just as much a mess as other places. Look at the situation in former Soviet Pact countries that were practically colonized by Russia for maybe half a century. Now imagine if instead of half a century, it was hundreds of years and 5 times as brutal.

Fun fact: The term "colony" comes from Christopher Colombus' name, which is Spanish is Cristobal Colon. Even the term colonization derives from a European.

tl;dr: Europe got to where it is by destroying the rest of the world while blaming the rest of the world for their issues. Their critique of USA is merely a distraction from their own responsibility.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Had my Spanish brother in law over for the holidays. He says spanish schools teach that the spaniards were trying to civilize the natives and bring them a better life. And sure, some things went wrong, but that columbus should be seen as a hero. He strongly beleives it. I was floored. I thought that stuff was pretty settled. I showed him some info on the genocide of Hispanola, and he said he'd never seen that before, but that we cant judge what happened back then by todays standrads, and that the word genocide hadnt even been invented back then, and that method of conflict was normal back then.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

There was a recent call in Barcelona to take down the Columbus statue, at least as early as 2016 (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/27/call-to-topple-christopher-columbus-statue-from-its-barcelona-perch)

I live in Barcelona, and Colombus and colonization is definitely not a popular topic: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/12/spain-leftist-columbus-day-celebrations

On the other hand, Spain can still be quite racist, football players being a good example (https://www.ft.com/content/6801c79a-6325-4a2a-9d5d-1d99b37920ab, https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240610-fans-get-8-months-jail-for-racism-targeting-real-madrid-s-vinicius)

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The word colony comes from the Latin word colonia. I guess you could say the Romans were "European colonizers" but their socioeconomic systems were fundamentally different from modern Europe.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

The rest of your comment is great, but it would have taken a five-second check on https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/colony to make sure you got your etymology right (which you didn't)

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

Most Europeans still have a casual sense of arrogance and superiority over the rest of the world. It's not very heavy, but it's there, even among some of the best people I know

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago

I have a formal sense of arrogance, thank you.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (42 children)

Youtube always shows off all the progressive and positive aspects of Europe. Bike lanes, relable trains. Was so jealous. Then heard that my game buddy is off to manditory milatary service.

The idea that the government can take away a year of your life, and thats normal is still a tough pill to swallow.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

"Take away a year of your life" is hyperbole.

It's not like you're dropped into 70s Vietnamese jungle with a garrot wire and some amphetamines.

It's more like a year long summer camp. Learn basic soldiering, learn some kind of speciality whether it's catering, logistics, or mechanics, and earn a good salary.

Most people go backpacking for a few years afterwards to spend the money they earned.

If you'd rather play games instead it's pretty easy to get an exemption.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

i eat with bare hands

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