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[–] [email protected] 241 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (12 children)

Hopefully Qualcomm takes the hint and takes this opportunity to develop a high performance RISC V core. Don't just give the extortionists more money, break free and use an open standard. Instruction sets shouldn't even require licensing to begin with if APIs aren't copyrightable. Why is it OK to make your own implentation of any software API (see Oracle vs. Google on the Java API, Wine implementing the Windows API, etc) but not OK to do the same thing with an instruction set (which is just a hardware API). Why is writing an ARM or x86 emulator fine but not making your own chip? Why are FPGA emulator systems legal if instruction sets are protected? It makes no sense.

The other acceptable outcome here is a Qualcomm vs. ARM lawsuit that sets a precedence that instruction sets are not protected. If they want to copyright their own cores and sell the core design fine, but Qualcomm is making their own in house designs here.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 6 days ago (4 children)

takes this opportunity to develop a high performance RISC V core

They might. This would never be open sourced though. Best case scenario is the boost they would provide to the ISA as a whole by having a company as big as Qualcomm backing it.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 6 days ago

RISC V is just an open standard set of instructions and their encodings. It is not expected nor required for implementations of RISC V to be open sourced, but if they do make a RISC V chip they don't have to pay anyone to have that privilege and the chip will be compatible with other RISC V chips because it is an open and standardized instruction set. That's the point. Qualcomm pays ARM to make their own chip designs that implement the ARM instruction set, they aren't paying for off the shelf ARM designs like most ARM chip companies do.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago

The RISCV instruction set IS open source. What they'd do to ratfuck it is lock the bootloader or something.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Simping for Qualcomm is definitely not a take i expected

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

In the mobile Linux scene, Qualcomm chips are some of the best supported ones. I don't love everything Qualcomm does, but the Snapdragon 845 makes for a great Linux phone and has open source drivers for most of the stack (little thanks to Qualcomm themselves).

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[–] [email protected] 129 points 6 days ago (4 children)

A risky move... Or should I say... A RISCV move...

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 days ago (4 children)

"risc architecture is gonna change everything"

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It really did.

FYI, ARM stands for Advanced RISC Machines.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago

year of the linux riscv desktop

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It actually did, but not in a way people expected at the time that movie was made. It changed a lot underneath the hood.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 71 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Tech patents are ridiculous. Let's end them or reduce them to 1-3 years with no renewal. Then all that's left is the specific copyright to the technology, not lingering webs of patents that don't make any sense anyway to anyone with detailed knowledge of the tech. All they're good for is big companies using legal methods to stop innovation and competition. Tech moves too fast for long patents and is too complex for patent examiners or courts to understand what is really patentable. So it comes down to who has the most money for lawyers.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 days ago

Seeing things like "slide to unlock", "rounded corners", and "scroll bouncing" are all patentable is ridiculous.

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

thanks, proprietary licenses.

can we finally move to open standards now or will these fucks keep on losing money just to spite foss? are they that afraid we read some of their source code?

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Good. Qualcomm refuses to make it easy to run linux on their hardware. Instead they try to hide basic information about their processors and chips in the name of selling a license for every little thing.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And so is Arm, especially their Mali drivers.

While some go "um, ackchually, you don't need a GPU driver for your hobby project of using a cheap SBC to run emulators", it does affect usability a lot. Yeah, Arm also pointing at the licensors and so are licensors to Arm in this case, but it's still not good that the only SBCs with relatively good GPU drivers for Linux are made by Raspberry Pi, and in all other case, you either need to pirate the drivers (!), use the tool that allows regular Linux to use Android GPU drivers, or just use the framebuffer-only driver with heavy limitations.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 6 days ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 78 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The free market is going very well here

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 days ago (62 children)

This is 100% capitalism. It's not free market to have a goverment-enforced monopoly.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 days ago (9 children)

This is textbook late stage free market ideals at work. This is how the free market always ends.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago (7 children)

X - ~~The system is broken.~~

✅ - The system is working exactly as intended and must be destroyed.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I hope this isn't a cartoony scheme driven by Apple honeydicking Arm with the M-series processors to tank PC and Android.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Arm owner softbank wants more mulah, want line goes up.

Qualcomm thinks this is not allowed in their license contract.

Without having read the contract, I think Qualcomm has a strong case, seams arm wants this to be settled before court in December. Qualcomm also thinks they have a strong case, so they say let the courts begin.

But it doesn't matter if it's an American court, because Qualcomm is American, softbank is Asian, arm is European. So, you have home turf advantage

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago

So typical capitalism horseshit.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Go RISC-V phones please!! Omg. I really hope RISC-V goes mainstream because of this.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 6 days ago (4 children)

This seems like a tactic that might win a battle but lose the war. Reminds me of Unity.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 6 days ago (3 children)

The amount of IP money grubbing in the IT industry is able to literally make millions out of sand, this is just more of it.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 days ago (4 children)

While every comment here seems to scream "end patents", arm has less patent bs than other tech (rounded corners) meant to sue/prevent use. Arm works hard on developing and improving architecture and designs to offer licenses at a compelling price. Qualcomm paying as much as other licensees should be preferable to Qualcomm than bankruptcy.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago

Truly yes, but RISC-V.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 6 days ago (3 children)

And so the corporate wars have begun

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I saw this documentary where taco bell won them.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We shall break into the desktop and laptop market! Let's start by severing ties with one of the most successful companies to do that so far.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Part of the reason why when people were saying they wanted competition to unseat x86, I didn't want it to be ARM based, because I knew 100% that ARM would jump in and do some shit to rake in more profit and negate all the potential cost savings to the consumer. As long as theres a single(or in the case of x86, essentially (but technically not) duopoly) that controls all the options for one of the options, then it's not a good form of competition.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I wonder if their recent bid to take over Intel, is related.

The irony would be very thik as Qualcomm played a big role in killing Intel's 2010er efforts to enter the mobile sector.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Qualcomm is not trying to take over Intel.

Not only has it been denied by both parties, it would 100% not go ahead. Additionally, it would invalidate the x86 cross-licence that AMD and Intel have, meaning Intel would no longer be able to make modern x86 CPUs. Frankly it's also somewhat doubtful Qualcomm wants to take Intel on.

The rumour was likely someone trying to pump up the stock and sell.

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