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The theory is simple: instead of buying a household item or a piece of clothing or some equipment you might use once or twice, you take it out and return it.

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[–] [email protected] 211 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Always check your public library. The ones in m area have these which cost you nothing to use because they are supported as public services.

Always support public libraries.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

It helped me to know that checking out items helps the library.

I always thought of it as being a consumer of library resources, but the fact that the books/movies/library of things items are being checked out helps them prove that their services are useful to the community.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 7 months ago (7 children)

With the size of housing units they build in condo buildings these days, who the fuck has any room to store appliances?

Plus, we live in an era where we produce too much shit anyway and it's damaging the environment. So by sharing stuff like this, it means we need to produce less.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Indeed, also it's much nicer to use a shared high quality tool than to buy an el-cheapo disposable tool.

Even something simple like a crowbar. I once borrowed a (shorter) professional crowbar after struggling with a (larger) cheap one. The thing I was trying to pry came out like butter.

Even though physics dictates that a shorter lever should be inferior, it just had a much better design and grip.

Better for our wallet, sanity and environment.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

This is an outstanding idea for an apartment community. It addresses space issues, cost concerns, and largely prevents abuse from the get-go because you know where all your borrowers live.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 7 months ago (6 children)

This sounds neat until it's run for profit.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 7 months ago (6 children)

There is a business in my town. There's probably one like it in your town. They rent power equipment. Anything from pressure washers to bobcats to bouncy castles. And as a man who has needed to drill precisely 8 holes into a concrete slab in 37 years, there is a genuine value proposition in renting a hammer drill for an afternoon compared to buying one.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

This week's rental for me:

  • hammer chisel, 24h, about $70 canadian.
  • E20 excavator, 8h runtime but over the weekend, around $500 with delivery and fuel

Not going to buy those things or pay someone to operate them. It's a good deal.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Modest profit isn't an issue, but most businesses of more than a certain size accumulate MBAs like some kind of parasitic fungus. They then proceed to wring out as much money as possible in the short term while destroying the business in the long term.

If it's just a local guy making 5% or so a year off his one rental shop, that's no problem.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Wait is this trying to suggest just renting is the same thing as a library?

The benifit of a library is you share the cost as a group and get some fractional use of it. Like books that you only really need access to for small amount of time.

Its not the same as say Amazon owning the book rental space and choosing, without any choice on your point, on what books are there or who could get access to them.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 7 months ago

Growing up, there was an association in my area for common ownership of different types of machinery and other equipment for its members. You paid something like $10 a year, and for that you got to borrow all kinds of things you might need as a home owner, like a wood chopper/splitter, high pressure washer, trailers, leaf blowers, cement mixer, scaffolding etc.

I always thought that was brilliant.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Everything as subscription.

Yeah it is seem to be cheap now, until you become dependent on it.

On the flip side, when you lost your job, cancel your home subscription and become homeless.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Oh, I assumed this article was going to be about public libraries. Often public libraries will have things for checkout, like gardening or cooking equipment. Yeah, this is somewhat distopian. These companies will probably make bank off of this. It should be public. We need a larger library system for much more things.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I've rented things like carpet cleaners, floor polishers, chainsaws, splitters for the chainsawed wood, generators, a bunch of weird things from a rental place down the street that seems to have at least one of anything I could ever need. It's awesome! Not having to maintain a bunch of shitty two stroke engines is phenomenal.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Not having to maintain a bunch of shitty two stroke engines is phenomenal.

Kinda off topic, but this reminded me of the lawn mower I bought a few summers ago. It was on sale for like 200, it was an electric Li-Ion battery though.

It was my first Li-Ion mower, but not the first electric and the first electric was just...shitty...pros definitely did not put weigh the cons so I was hesitant, but bit the bullet anyways because that first electric had to have been like 15+ years ago so things must have improved

So glad I did, this MF is so damn quiet, I don't even need hearing protection AND I can mow at like 9PM because it's so quiet that the barking neighbor dogs are louder AND I don't have to fuck with gas and oil. I even picked up the same thing but the trimmer and weed whacker version at a thrift store. So now I don't have to fuck with has and oil and MIXING them just right for 2 strokes.

Even with the big battery they're still lighter than the equivalent 2 stroke.

Tl;Dr FUCK 2/4 stroke engine equipment, I'm never going back lmao

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

I'm hoping to have bought my last engine. maybe there will be another ICE car or motorcycle in my future, I don't think I'll ever own another airplane and I'm 100% done with gas powered lawn tools. I've got a set of electric lawn tools that do a fantastic job and they don't pack their sinuses with their own shit all winter so they work when it's time.

And my father has fought me tooth and nail the entire way. "You sure you don't want the gas one? It's slightly bigger! Let's get the gas one." Dad, why are we here for the second year in a row buying a string trimmer? "We can't get the old one to start." Wrong. We're buying a new one because we can't get the almost brand new one we bought last year to start. Now what chemical did you consume in the 60's that makes you think a nearly identical one we buy this year will be any different? "Ohh come on." This one works almost exactly like a power drill. When's the last time you put a battery in the power drill and spent an hour failing to get it to start drilling? "Sigh I guess."

It's lighter, quieter, runs on a battery system we're already very invested in, starts every time, requires less maintenance and fueling is a lot more convenient. Every electric lawn tool we've bought bar none works great.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Obligatory Library Socialism Link: https://librarysocialism.org/

In the simplest terms, the right of usufruct means you can use things, but you cannot deny them to others when you're not using them, and you do not have the right to destroy them to prevent others from using them. So, for example, the farmer is welcome to grow crops on a given plot of land - but if they choose not to, somebody else can use the land.

Given this, it's easy to see that this principle already exists in public libraries. You can borrow a book to help you start a business, but you can't prevent others from reading it after you - or threaten to destroy the book unless you receive the profits of the next reader's business. You can hold the book exclusively (of other library patrons), but only temporarily.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago (4 children)

A friend of mine who lived in Berkeley in the early aughts was a member of her local tool library. I thought it was a brilliant idea. You just had to be live in the community and getting your library card was free.

At one point my roommate needed a drill to complete some home improvement, so I got the drill, committing to be the drill guy the buddy that had a borrow-able power drill.

Curiously, when I moved, I needed to reduce my stuff drastically, so my roommate inherited the drill.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (5 children)

When I was a kid in the late 80s/early 90s, we had a toy-library across from our house. You could rent all kinds of toys for a week, extend if needed, and return it when the kids got bored with it. Good times.

They also had LEGO, and every piece had to be accounted for on return.

They went out of business when people started buying their own GameBoys and PlayStations.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

What the fuck is this rent-a-center propaganda?

How stupid are we?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Pretty dumb. I thought this would be about lending libraries -_-

[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago (16 children)

Tf are both you talking about. The article talks about Tool Libraries and The Library of Thing at length. It name drops a few subscription services for reused baby clothes and kids toys but those are still temporary items people need.

Rent-a-centers core business model consists of predatory loans for household appliances that you need continuously. This article talks about rentals for things you only need for a short period of time.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

It’s nice however let’s assume that it is the main consumer model. Then everything becomes possibly 20 times more expensive as companies need to keep same profit (shareholders) and now 20 people pool money to share the thing. It’s not a solution to capitalism, however it would work wonders for environment.

Yet it is us doing all the work for the environment while companies don’t lift a finger and get all the profit. Not a viable long term solution to a fundamental problem of wealth.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (3 children)

"You will own nothing and like it"

[–] [email protected] 60 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm so down for this for items that I don't need indefinitely. It reduces waste.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It also allows people to use much higher quality products. She's pulling a power tool out in the picture and goddamn, there's some garbage tools out there, even from quality brands. Renting a $1000 tool sounds better than buying a $100 tool and encouraging the race to the bottom.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Yeah, that's how libraries work.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

It's interesting how individualism and socialism interact with each other, and how a degree of the latter can promote the former.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

There is a “tool library” sort of service (for profit) operating in my area. The prices are absurd—people are charging like $20/day for a tool that would cost $100 new, or half that used on craigslist. My projects often span multiple days, especially if there’s an unforeseen delay—which there always is because I’m a good engineer but a shitty carpenter.

I don’t use the service. I’m all for communal ownership but it still has to make sense.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

There is a “tool library” sort of service (for profit)

Wait I am confused

library

Alright got it.

(for profit)

What

Ok….Why is everybody using the world “library” like it is an even remotely compatible concept with a for profit rental business??!

Is this just capitalism trying to purposefully destroy any meaning behind the word “library”?.

If your service is to rent tools out to places you are a tool rental company not a “tool library”. You would be a tool library if you were a community governed non-profit that let people borrow tools for essentially no money.

sigh it makes me so cynical how clearly libraries would never have been allowed to exist in a time as nauseatingly conservative and capitalist as this if they weren’t already old and boring concepts, the media, corporations, centrist democrats and republicans would all lose their mind about libraries being too radical of a concept if a leftist proposed them as an idea now.

:(

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

There's a company in Brentwood Tennessee and online that rents very expensive camera lenses.

So you can borrow a $3000 lens for say $200 for a week.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (10 children)

It's dystopic if most can only afford to rent what they always need. IMO being able to rent something you rarely need is a good thing.

I'd much rather have my car for day to day driving and rent something with more space the few times I need to move something that won't fit in my car. Even better would be to have ride share programs to use for medium loads and reliable mass transit for trips where I don't have much to move.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Renting stuff makes sense, but there are still lots of inherent problems with tool libraries and the like.

They're great for a carpet shampooer or chainsaw you need once a year, but if you actually want to fix and build stuff around the home then booking a tool, taking perfect measurements, hauling your stuff over to a tool library, building it, hauling everything back home to check it, is simply an infeasibly onerous process. The instant you make a mistake and need a different tool, or check a measurement, etc, you're wasting hours of time, which is most often the biggest limiter for home projects anyways.

You also don't get to learn on the same tool and build up instincts and understanding of how it behaves.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (8 children)

I think you ahve a fundamental misunderstanding on how the tool libraries and stuff work..

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (11 children)

The issue with renting is, of course, just like apartments (or flats if you will), the producers of the items will see the opportunity to inflate the retail costs of the items, the more they see their sales dip due to renting, which will make the price of renting the equipment greater .... and so it goes

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