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Dont use plastic straws, drive public transport or bike, buy bio food, donate to orgs, glue yourself to the street

and maybe... just maybe... you will change fuck all

... did everyone misread your comment or am I crazy? I have faith that we can make horrible climate change a reality if we just put our minds to it.

If we all work together the collapse is not just a dream.

Hoping to speed up the collapse I see lol.

I drive a hybrid.

I recycle everything I can.

I pickup litter.

I try to be as power efficient as possible.

I'm not a vegetarian but I don't eat meat everyday.

Plus, I post memes that stimulate conversation like this!

Speak concretely. What actions would you like them to take, and how will they help?

Though I agree with you on taking money from the rich people, that's mostly not how it works. Most rich persons has most of his "worth" in stocks. Even scammer musk's worth mostly is "worth" because of his ownership of Tesla and the such. He doesn't actually have that money.

Most importantly: It's not insanely easy to solve, Sven if you pump in trillions. Even if we stop pumping carbon in the air tomorrow it will still take centuries until the atmosphere is back to normal, barring any carbon capture.

The problem with is that the extra CO2 in the air comes from energy we took from burning fossil fuels. If we want to capture it back, we need to spend the same mount of energy that the world spent for the past, say, 2 centuries, from non carbon sources to get that done. This energy does not include the energy that the world needs to function.

That is an insane amount of energy that, again, has to come from non carbon emitting sources.

Also, until all energy comes from non carbon emitting sources, carbon capture is useless because if both you'll spent 100 carbon for each, say, 50-70 (optimistically) carbon you capture.

If I say "Were not even close to 100% non carbon emissions in energy creation" it's a huge understatement. I believe something around 10% of our energy production is non carbon emitting. Cars are not included.

Making all out cars electrical is also cute. It's a nice thought if it weren't that all that electricity still mostly comes from CO2 emitting sources so including conversion losses electrical cars may actually send more CO2 in the atmosphere.

You want to actually solve this?

Make ALL our electrical generation non CO2 emitting in the next 10 years. Air and solar are cute, but fractional and will remain that, probably for ever. We need nuclear power plants like there is no tomorrow in all countries, even the "bad" ones.

This obviously isn't going to happen.

We will likely end up with some form of atmospheric engineering where we're going to meas with the atmosphere, seeding clouds, or pumping other chemicals in there that negate the effects of CO2. I'm unsure what the results of that will be though

Either way, you and I will NOT see the end of this, that is for our children's children

Are we supposed to be comforted about the timeline being decades? That's generations alive today.

Scientists are also finding their estimates getting outpaced alarmingly often right now.

The Russia Ukraine war has disrupted civilisation quite significantly with 6 million refugees. We could see over 1 BILLION climate refugees by 2050. 1000 MILLION people having to leave their homes.

We are on course for significant disruption to food supply before 1.5C warming. Doesn't matter how rich your country is, with global food supplies low and that maybe people on the move, civilisation as we know it will change significantly. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/12/global-heating-likely-to-hit-world-food-supply-faster-than-expected-says-united-nations-desertification-expert

To be clear: I am not a doomerist. Don't dwell on this and do nothing. Get angry! This is being done to you. This was not inevitable, it was the decisions of the most powerful and richest people in the world. Get out there and take action, the movement needs you.

Luckily none of us will be around to see that unless some sort of miraculous life extension technology becomes available.

I dunno mate... antarctica is collapsing much faster than anyone anticipated. Brazil's winter was a scorcher.

Canada's on fire. Tropical storms are hitting LA. sadlol... I suspect we might be around to see even worse.

I mean, I feel like this year in particular illustrates quite well that there are already very real impacts of climate change in rich countries, with Canada, Greece, Hawaii etc. burning. Which makes it worth to delay climate change as much as possible, even if we can't or don't want to stop it at livable levels.

It'd be over in an instant for the lucky ones.

Carbon extraction isn't a viable solution until its whole area is running on green energy. With current technology, at least, running it on a green power source will make less of an impact than hooking that green power source up to replace some fossil fuels.

In other words, don't rely on heal spells until the battle's over. They'll never outpace incoming damage.

Carbon extraction, for the moment, is useless.

Most energy production still emits carbon. Adding in loses, you'd spend 100 carbon for each maybe 50 carbon you captured. You'd literally be making it worse.

Same goes for electrical cars. Car engines are pretty much as efficient as burning fuels get, so with electrical you have extra losses (losses in electrical transmission, extra conversions, storage in batteries, then the electrical engine itself) so they may actually end up emitting more carbon than fuel cars.

Want to stop this? Make all electrical generation carbon frer

Air and sunlight are cute but fractional and likely will remain that forever

We need nuclear power plants, and loads of them. Spent fuel there IS a problem but it's a manageable one.

Even if we replace all cars and powerplants for non carbon within the next ten years, it'll still take centuries for the atmosphere to return to normal.

Want to carbon capture? That is HARD because of loads of technical problems but one to keep in mind: all that carbon (yes yes, CO2) in the air is because we took energy from a system and used it. CO2 was the result. You want to take out that CO2, you need to spend the same amount of energy to take it back. With losses in conversion, you'll need to spend probably double that. With what nature can remove by itself, you mght get a 10% discount.

What does this mean? We need to spend the same amount of energy as we generated over the past two centuries on top of the energy we need every day to be able to capture all that CO2. That is a metric shit tonne of CO2 and capturing it requires first and foremost that ALL our energy production is CO2 free.

Ah also: for technical reasons airplanes will never be electrical, cargo trucks neither. Yeah yeah, tesla truck blah, nobody will use it and musk, besides being an absolute moron, is also a scammer. Electrical trucks are not worth it because of battery weight. Think batteries will magically become 2000% more efficient? They won't. Batteries are pretty much elat the roof of what's possible and barring some revolutionary new energy storage that may or may not exist, batteries won't become much more efficient beyond maybe tops 30% more than we have today. Either way, cargo trucks d Airplanes need light batteries and even li-ion batteries (lithium being the lightest metal) won't cut it. Cargo trucks would lost most of their cargo capacity in batteries or would require recharging (and waiting for hours) way WAY too many times. Fuel based trucks lose their gas whilst driving and become lighter. This adds range and cargo weight. Electrical ones don't. Electrical (heavy) trucks aren't practical and won't be used.

Also, battery fires are a BITCH and are almost impossible to put out. All it takes is one electrical fire from a car in a tunnel that will kill a few hundred people to make people reconsider battery cars. Now imagine trucks.

Same for airplanes. A laptop battery in and airplane is risky. An electrical plane would require 50-70% of it's weight in batteries (so we transport 100 people instead of 300) and of that thing catches fire, which happens a lot, those 100 people are screeeeewed.

Hydrogen also won't work as the atoms in the gas are so small that they escape though just about everything. You'll need very heavy tanks to transport it compressed enough so you'll again lose the "weight war", if you will.

So we'll continue puahing CO2 in the air with airplanes and trucks, but cars are doable. Powerplants are doable.

But look at the will of politicians. More and more politicians are willing to lie about climate change because that's what their conspiracy theory believing base believe, so they'll happily parrot that bullshit because they'll watch the world burn if it means they can rule the ashes.

Then there are the millions of scammers with perpetual motion machines or their magic clean water from air machines or their Hyperloop ideas that were refuted over a century ago yet we spend literally billions into that because humanity is stupid and dickish...

I dunno. This can be solved if we wanted to but I think humanity in part doesn't care. The young just watch TikTok, the old are too dumb, somehow.

Call me cynical all you like but I see a humanity ending problem in front of us and it can be solved but share holders and the rich must be kept happy before that! And if you try to say anything about that, you get the army of trained retards (yes, that is the acceptable word for people that have a good brain but refuse to use it) yelling over you that theyr read a Facebook post saying that science is evil.

In a sidenote, various diseases that were nearly eradicated are coming back as well because of anti vaxxers now. Humans suck.

So before you can even start thinking about solving this you first need to fix the retard problem. People need to start believing in science and reality again because too many people are now with their heads stuck in fantasy world where "god would never allow this" or "scientists are evil because EVERY GODDAMN TV SHOW AND MOVIE NOW SHOWS EVIL SCIENTISTS.

/rant.

But I do encourage you to tell me I'm worng in anything I said. Please, if you think there is a solution, please please tell me

And when the last land is a desert, the last river dry, the last field poisoned, the last tree cut down, will they realise that one cannot eat money.

It will seem far away until the day that your home is burning down or under water. And that day is coming.

You people think it will be a night and day collapse? Get real.

You know that's the thing, nobody really knows. It's all predictions based on necessarily flawed models. And they range from relatively mild changes until the turn of the century on the one hand, over methane released from thawing permafrost leading to a steep acceleration of warming in the middle, to having crossed an irreversible tipping point decades ago that will lead to an algae bloom in the oceans which will render the atmosphere unbreathable on the other hand. We can only hope it's on the former end of the spectrum, but I wouldn't bet on it personally.

Who said I was ignoring all that? I'm well aware. But what the Fuck am I supposed to do about it?

I drive a hybrid, pickup litter, recycle, make most of my own food from scratch, and talk about how we need to do more (like with this tongue-in-cheek meme). I ain't in Congress (yet), but even if I was look how productive they're being towards this issue.

Car dealerships in the US are whining that they can't move the expensive EV's car makers are producing. Meanwhile the world is burning. We need a crash program to replace every damned gas powered vehicle needed, while eliminating hundreds of thousands completely off the road where possible. Cities should have sidewalks, bikepaths, and mass rail transit everywhere in the US.

If we don't do it, we're pissing in the wind.

edit: same with renewable generation - no more nimby bullshit. build it all. no one's view is worth another summer like this.