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Alaska Airlines Grounds Fleet of Boeing 737 Max 9 Jets After Midair ‘Incident’ (www.nytimes.com)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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And here we go again, another bOING 737 Max.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM

Interviewer: This airplane that was involved in the incident off Western Oregon this week...

Senator Collins: The one the door plug fell off?

Interviewer: Yeah.

Senator Collins: Yeah, that’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.

Interviewer: Well, how was it un-typical?

Senator Collins: Well there are a lot of these airplanes going around the world all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen. I just don’t want people thinking that 737 max 9's aren’t safe.

...

Senator Collins: Well, some of them are built so that the door plug doesn’t fall off at all.

Interviewer: Wasn’t this built so that the door plug wouldn’t fall off?

Senator Collins: Well, obviously not.

Interviewer: How do you know?

Senator Collins: Well, because the door plug fell off at 20,000 feet and all the air spilled out. It’s a bit of a giveaway. I’d just like to make the point that that is not normal.

Interviewer: Well what sort of engineering standards are these 737 MAX 9's built to?

Senator Collins: Oh, very rigorous aerospace engineering standards.

Interviewer: What sort of thing?

Senator Collins: Well, the door plug's not supposed to fall off for a start.

...

Interviewer: So the allegations that they’re just designed to carry as many passengers as possible no matter the consequences, I mean that’s ludicrous isn’t it?

Senator Collins: Absolutely ludicrous, these are very very strong vessels.

Interviewer: So what happened in this case?

Senator Collins: Well, the door fell off in this case by all means, but it’s very unusual.

Interviewer: But Senator Collins, why did the door plug fall off?

Senator Collins: Well air hit it.

Interviewer: Air hit it?

Senator Collins: Air hit the plane.

Interviewer: Is that unusual?

Senator Collins: Oh yeah. At altitude? Chance in a million!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I was completely prepared to believe that this was real.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah reality and satire are getting close enough that I almost wonder if I should add a disclaimer that's more obvious than the video link.

One of my friends thought I was quoting an interview with Susan Collins.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This is the result of corporate America not holding its executives personally accountable for gross negligence, and the unregulated monopolistic nature of a bunch of markets. It is well known in the industry that the whole fiasco regarding the 737 Max is caused by the acquisition of McDonnell-Douglas, and its shitty management that integrated with Boeing.

Who was held responsible for those 300 people dying? Who would have been for these guys? Who will be for the next accident?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is the result of capitalism. That’s all you needed to say.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

You can have capitalism and still hold corporations responsible for gross negligence.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Weird that the company used to have a safety culture before the acquisition - I just can't imagine an aircraft company wanting to throw that away when it's so valuable to customer trust.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s because the finance chucklefucks ran the numbers, saw data that indicated simply paying out injury and wrongful death settlements and safety penalties appeared to be cheaper than designing a new airframe, and went that route. It’s very literally all a numbers game, and the only numbers that really matter to these idiots are the ones with $ in the front.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I just watched Fight Club again, and this was literally Ed Norton’s character’s job.

a x b x c

If the number for the recall or redesign is higher than the lawsuits, they don’t do it. They let people die.

The only way to fight it is to have an automatic adjustment to all unit and wrongful death payouts times 10, hell 1000. There should be no cost on a human life.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

lol I gotta watch that again

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Jesus christ the Max has been a clownshow of one problem after another

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Multiple news articles are reporting that this aircraft had its post-production certification only two months ago. For a problem of this magnitude to develop in such a short time is very disconcerting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

smug airbus noises

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I love it when the passengers are spilling the tea, before Boeing's lawyers can get to them and attempt to smother their words with money. By the time the NHTSA gets to interview passengers, they've "calmed down", it seems. I don't know if that's good for screw ups of this magnitude. Hurrah for a plane of pissed off, uninjured survivors! God bless them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

https://archive.is/YsTla

I’m not comfortable flying on new Boeing planes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Protips:

Use archive.today URLs, which automatically redirect to the most appropriate server.
https://gitlab.com/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-firefox-clean/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The entire world around you that you take for granted is built down to a price. Barely anybody makes things to be good, most make things to make money, and when it comes to potentially dangerous things, the risk of harm or loss of life is factored into profit. "How many people can we kill before we are forced to shut this down or spend money to make it better?"

Beware when putting trust in human-created technology. I bet there's more than one engineer in here who wanted to design something the right way, but was then forced to cut some corners by a bean counter. It's everywhere.

Giving an example from my wheelhouse, there are stories of managers going around to engineer's prototype PCBs and snipping off decoupling capacitors one by one until the device barely functions in a stable manner. The manager then declares that that is the appropriate amount of capacitors. Also, if you want a quick heart attack, just take apart any cheap Amazon phone charger and examine it.