this post was submitted on 04 Jan 2024
14 points (100.0% liked)

Technology

59123 readers
2299 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 14 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I find it fascinating how in the United States police radio communications aren't encrypted and therefore anyone can listen to them. In my European country all emergency service communications are TETRA encrypted.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

EU security forces didn't really care as TEA2 wasn't backdoored. It's a mid-90s standard with different encryption levels for different actors, it should be blindingly obvious that whatever is publicly available is backdoored. You may not like it, I do not like it, but it should've been obvious.

The actual own goal was that while all EU security forces always had access to the secure stuff plenty of operators of critical infrastructure (think energy suppliers etc) used TEA1 as that's what they were given. Also some EU forces bought TEA1 equipment presumably because they didn't know what they were doing, with or without help from manufactures with an overstock of TEA1 radios.

Here's a 37c3 talk about the whole thing, from the people actually breaching the protocol.

Aside from those encryption issues (which are finally getting addressed btw) TETRA is a great protocol, though. By now a bit dated so bandwidth isn't exactly stellar (forget video streaming or such) but devices can talk directly to another just as in olden times, setting up a base station simply increases range, radio channels are now virtual, it's all very sweet. Basically TETRA is to radio what GSM is to rotary phones. Which, as GSM phones don't tend to be wired, makes a hell a lot more sense.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

They actually need to focus on hospital communications. It's scary what all you can pick up from paging systems in cleartext with a $20 USB SDR and a laptop. Patient names, rooms numbers, alert codes, everything.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

i'm all for full transparency regarding all police activity - i'm not for full realtime transparency regarding all police activity.

active shooter scenarios, violent crimes and everything that invites rubbernecking (read: situations where MORE people are a bad idea, which is most police/ambulance business) should probably not attract people; a 24h delay for release would be enough tho.

my inner cynic already tells me - without searching - that noone thought about automatically releasing the info after a delay. :-(

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear (or something like that)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm surprised it was nos encrypted already.

Any one can silently hear their frequency. I looks like an easy way to know if police is coming your way, and how avoid them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Surprised it's not encrypted in the first place. You haven't been able to listen to police communications in Finland since the 90's. I would assume most of Europe is the same way.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah police radio should never be encrypted.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I suspect it would be helpful for protecting sensitive situations. Currently (at least with EMS) they call each other's cellphones for that, not ideal.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

EMS communication over unencrypted channels is limited by HIPAA, patient information must be kept vague to protect patient privacy. In the event that, say, an individuals name needs to be given to the receiving facility to facilitate review of records prior to arrival by the ER physician, some other method of communication has to be used.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Encryption on radio communications would not help that at all. It would still be a HIPAA violation to share sensitive information on a broadcast, even if it is encrypted.

Edit: I hope y'all downvoters aren't actually responsible for patient information.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

That's very incorrect. End to End encryption is legal under HIPPA. All the receiving parties have likely filled out the HIPPA yearly thing, so they'd be covered.