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That massive spike of 50c/kWh at the left looks tiny compared to today even though that's already insanely expensive

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Tomorrow is back to normal. Even the 37c/kWh spike hardly registers on the graph compared to today even though that's still pretty expensive.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If you're in a granny cottage then just burn wood instead? Doing this rn and am very happy to go off-grid for ca. 48 hours

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I unfortunelately don't have a fireplace in my house. It was removed when the house was renovated in the 80's

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In a place where it's regularly cold? Whose brilliant idea was that?!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

When I said my house is tiny I truly mean that. I don't even have space for a medium size house plant let alone a fireplace. The attic was converted into living space and I believe the fireplace used to be where the stairs are now.

I have a wood burning sauna on a separate building though

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

So you're BigDickEnergy in a granny cottage, heating the place with your wood to get off grid. Nice!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

How are you using 21kWh/day heating a small home? Do you have any insulation at all?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Probably because it's about -35C outside.

Dude is basically living on the set of The Thing at this point.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

That's a perfectly normal number for any home that isn't very new and perfectly insulated.

My 37sqm appartment needs approximately 5000 kWh in natural gas per year, 876 kWh last December, so 28 kWh per day on average. The building is admittedly old and not perfectly insulated but it's also not a log cabin out in the open in Finland, but instead a flat enclosed within 3 other flats in the middle of cosy, never below -8C Germany.

21 kWh in a log cabin in Finnland actually seemed pretty low to me. It's sort of obvious OP is using a heat pump and the cabin must really be absolutely tiny.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

A tiny heater running all day would do that.

1kw is a small heater. 0.8kw is a tiny one. 0.8x24 is 19.2. Assuming they have other basic appliances, that's already more than enough to account for their usage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

50kWh and closer to 90kWh on days like this. It's a log cabin and I'm keeping my root cellar and insulated shed above freezing aswell. Even running a 1kW heater all day would result in a consumption more than 21kWh and that wouldn't keep any house warm.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I'm sorry. At least when it gets to negative 40 you won't have to translate it from C to F.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

That is an insane price, and it feels like it should be illegal.

Further integration at an EU level would allow energy supply to be less influenced by local issues.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

How's the heat pump gang doing in that kind of temperature?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

It's what I exclusively heat my house with

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Ouch.

Meanwhile, in Portugal, my peak energy price will be around €.10, with the minimum at around €.06

To what degree is your house insulated already?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

It's a log cabin with 5cm added fibreglass insulation on the inside.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

What's the average price during normal times? In Germany we are usually paying a fixed price, so fluctuations on the market do not reach the customers. However, this price is somewhere between 30 and 40c/kWh.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

It peaked there right? So the rest of the day it was lower wasn't it? Still very expensive!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Is heating with electricity common in Finland? That seems like it would cost a fortune even in good times.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Older houses burn oil for heating the house and water but even most of them have heatpumps installed. New houses usually also have heatpumps or geothermal so direct electric heating is more and more uncommon. Apartment buildings generally all have district heating and even some private homes do.

Yes it's expensive but so is everything else too. Our houses are way better insulated than in most places though so that helps a little.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Overall electricity is relatively cheap in Finland. Historically they were oil heated, which is not very cheap either.

We do not have gas lines in Finland, so we cannot use that like other parts of Europe. This is now of course better because we are not depending on Russian gas.

Previously we got parts of electricity from Russia, but that shutdown after the Ukraine war.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Pretty common here in France and it's cheap enough. Why would you think it would be expensive? And expensive compared to what?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Finland has more than 330 hydro power plants, with total capacity of over 3,100 megawatts in 2022. Hydro accounted for 18% of Finland’s total installed power generation capacity and 22% of total power generation in 2021.

WTFINLAND

Hydro-Québec Production main power plants (2020) Total Others (49 hydro, 1 therma) - 13302 MW

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Hydro =/= hydro. The plants in Finland are tiny in comparison.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Finland is flat, no possiblity in hydro if you don't have the mountains with water in them. Norway gets all the hydro, and Finland buys it there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

what the fuck?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (4 children)

i keep a pile of coal in the cellar for the extra cold days

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

And then you just burn them in a pot on your table and breathe the exhaust?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I honestly don't understand. Isn't Finland one of the countries who should have figured out how to heat a home efficiently a long time ago?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

RIP to those running a 4090 on their rig.

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