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[–] [email protected] 259 points 11 months ago (9 children)

The vaccine works by instructing the body to make up to 34 “neoantigens.” These are proteins found only on the cancer cells, and Moderna personalizes the vaccine for each recipient so that it carries instructions for the neoantigens on their cancer cells.

That’s pretty dope

[–] [email protected] 54 points 11 months ago (6 children)

You mispelled "expensive."

[–] [email protected] 50 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if, even at this early stage of the therapy’s development, this would actually be more affordable than the alternative.

Melanoma patients are highly likely to have the cancer come back and or metastasize. Repeat treatments and hospitalizations are not cheap.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (18 children)

Which is why the Moderna vaccine will be priced at just 95% of the cost of the repeat treatments and hospitalization plus the value of the time saved and pain and suffering avoidance by the patient. Say, an extra half a million. I mean, what price would you put on avoiding seeing your parent or child subjected to round after round of chemotherapy?

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[–] [email protected] 159 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Time for the antivax doomsday cult to extol the virtues of cancer.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 11 months ago (2 children)

god wants the children to have incurable tumors

[–] [email protected] 39 points 11 months ago

I mean don't people already spout this crap?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Any horse cancer drugs out there I can take?

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[–] [email protected] 115 points 11 months ago (20 children)

This is amazing news for countries with free healthcare! Even though the vaccine is expensive, it's nowhere as expensive as the care a cancer patient needs today.

Plus you can send a healthy individual back to their families and into society again.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Idk man that sounds pretty communist to me

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A country, looking after its people?! Get that communism outta here!

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Fuck cancer, this sounds great!

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 83 points 11 months ago (1 children)

“We think that in some countries the product could be launched under accelerated approval by 2025.”

Thats literally next year. That's amazing.

Can't wait to see what other uses we can find for mRNA

[–] [email protected] 39 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Cure for auto immune diseases is incoming FWIW

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (14 children)

You know what this sounds like to me?

Like Moderna is gonna ask $10k a poke.

Edit: ITT: Pharma bros telling me how awesome artificially-inflated medication prices are.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (32 children)

Sure would be nice if capitalism didn't exist 🤪

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

In this case, you have to develop an individual vaccine for every patient based on the DNA from their own cancer. That’s actually a lot of work. $10K a poke is very reasonable given that you could easily spend 10 or 100 times that on conventional treatment.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Okay but forcing someone to pay you $550k (averaging your values) to not die maybe is still incredibly fucking awful, so it's really not hard to be better than that.

I can respect that developing a personalized vaccine might take a lot of work but I'm not a chemist. I don't know how much work it actually takes, nor do I know how many vaccines a person would realistically need to cure their cancer be it stage 1 up to stage 4?

What I do know is that if this vaccine ends up being more effective than the traditional method then it is a wonderful discovery, but if it leads to life-long medical debt and subsequent financial ruin all the same your life is still fucked.. I guess I'd rather be poor and alive, but I'd also rather not be destitute.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 11 months ago (3 children)

cue antivaxxers' pro-plague and pro-death screeching 🤦‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Any day now those vaxxed will drop dead!!

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago

I wonder if my mom will accept this vaccine for her cancer after years of believing all the conspiracy theories about the COVID vaccine. I’m willing to bet that if she has the opportunity, she’ll jump on it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (4 children)

what's really cool is this plus telomerase will give us a youth serum

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

what's really cool is this plus telomerase will give the extremely wealthy a youth serum

FTFY

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Here's the thing: we're not getting many people to the natural limits of the human body's age much less working out ways to go past that.

Jeanne Louise Calment was 122 when she died. There's a hypothesis that she switched identities with her mother at some point, but most scientists who study aging don't consider it credible. Many other supercentenarian claims don't hold up; they often come from places that had bad record keeping a century ago, and they just forget how many birthdays they've had. 115 seems the typical limit for most people, but even that might have very few legit claims.

There are so few people who make it that far that they're basically rounding error even when including incorrect claims. Monaco has the highest average life expectancy at 87. We should be able to add almost 30 more years to that before we even talk about extraordinary youth serums.

Better cancer treatments will be part of getting us there, but far from the only factor.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

telomeres are cells' biological clock... they get shorter with each division, and is the general cause of your body breaking down, round the 80's.
telomerase and other chemicals can reset those telomeres, but also cause the body's existing precancerous cells to go malignant. (telomeres also limit cancer cell growth, and creating telomerase is one of the mutations required for full on cancer)
so, if we can regrow cells telomeres without causing cancer... we have a youth serum.
but there's already other telomerase gene therapy in development anyways...

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