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Toyota wants hydrogen to succeed so bad it’s paying people to buy the Mirai (techcrunch.com)

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Toyota wants hydrogen to succeed so bad it’s paying people to buy the Mirai::Toyota is offering some amazing deals for its hydrogen fuel cell-powered Mirai. That is, if customers can find the hydrogen to power it.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (25 children)

In the near term, it’s pretty clear that zero-emission, light-duty vehicles will need to rely on batteries. So why are Toyota and Honda (and Hyundai and others) still so bullish on hydrogen?

To some degree, it’s like they wanted to invest in an image of being climate-conscious and technologically innovative while eschewing electric vehicles — the most common vision of a low-emissions transportation future.

Why is this article so agressively angled?

While it's clear the infrastructure isn't there right now, isn't hydrogen in the long term a clearly better alternative than ev's? The biggest problem with EV's being the battery, with all the horrible chemicals that go in to making them.

Shouldn't hydrogen, in the long term, be the obviously greener alternative, or am I missing something?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (12 children)

Hydrogen is incredibly inefficient compared to using electricity directly. You have to first use the electricity to make the hydrogen, this is very inefficient in itself. then you have to "burn" it to drive the vehicle, which wastes most of the energy just like ICE vehicle. So you need several times the initial energy generation to drive a hydrogen vehicle the same distance compared to using electricity directly.

Of course the batteries is then the issue when it comes to EVs, so they're not a magic bullet. But I wouldn't say hydrogen is the obvious better choice either since it is so wasteful with the energy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You don't burn hydrogen . But your point still stands.

https://www.ineos.com/inch-magazine/articles/issue-16/how-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicles-work/#:~:text=But%2C%20unlike%20an%20engine%2C%20a,that%20can%20drive%20a%20vehicle.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Which is why i put it in quotation marks. I couldn't remember the name of the reaction, so that was my go-to replacement.

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