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Seriously, why is the USA supporting Israel? (lemmy.world)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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The US is supporting Israel through what we can mostly all agree is a genocide of the Gazans. Clearly, Biden isn't a genocidal maniac, yet he's all in with unwavering support. Why are we doing this? There has to be a logical reason that isn't just "we want Israel to kill everyone in Gaza and take their land a la lebensraum."

We know this is an emotional topic, so please be respectful of each other so that we can have open and clear authentic discussion on the matter.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (11 children)

What should we do? Hamas kidnapped a bunch of people and is still holding them hostage. Hamas has been launching missiles at civilians for decades now.

Israel is not without guilt, but the everyone else [with any power] is at least as bad.

There are no good answers. All options are bad. The only question is what is the least bad, and that seems to be supporting Israel while putting pressure on them to stop settlements and be careful about non-Hamas civilians. Not a good option, but the is nothing else that is better. (including walking away from the whole region)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Hamas didn't flatten an Israeli city with bombs. They didn't starved population, killed journalists and bombed hospitals.

Israel is on the verge of genocide here. War crimes are obvious.

Even 1000 hostages don't warrant 10000 deaths. And Israel is far, far beyond 10k kills in Gaza now.

What should you do? Maybe start to consider the people in Gaza like human being for a start.

[+] [email protected] -8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

HAMAS continues to strike civilians in Israel every day, Hamas did 7th of October, a terror attack equivalent to 17 whole 9/11s, Hamas still holds hundreds of hostages. Genocide of the Jews is still their main agenda.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

How many killed? I'm not defending the hamas BTW. But supporting Israel is exactly like supporting Russia in Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

How are they in any way the same? Russia attacked Ukraine with no provocation, Hamas committed terrorist atrocities and Israel are responding. Yes, they aren't taking nearly enough care to prevent civilian deaths, but there is some attempt to do so - Hamas deliberately targeted civilians including beheading and oven cooking babies.

This is not the same at all. Also Hamas deliberately base themselves in schools, hospitals and residential buildings using Palestinians as a human shield.

How many killed?

By turning this into a numbers game (as if one human life lost isn't too many) you are defending Hamas.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh shit!

Here we go with those 40 decapitated babies again.

Y’know I hear Israelis fill their menorahs with Palestinian infant’s blood on Hanukkah

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You don't believe that Hamas killed babies? Or targeted civilians? Or raped women?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I can believe all of that, what I don’t believe is them deliberately decapitating babies or baking them.

It’s really easy to throw extra vicious complaints about someone and then back way off and say “Oh, you don’t believe they were doing these other lesser things either.”

It’s very disingenuous and shows that they don’t actually believe their claims, but that they are trying to conflate the two to confuse people.

That isn’t what you’re doing is it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I don't think I'm doing that. I do believe the cousins about the babies. Whatever one thinks about Israel and the whole situation there - from full throated supporter right through to anti semitic holocaust denier - I and convinced Hamas are utterly evil and in no way a friend is the Palestinian people. If Israel are committing genocide (and I don't believe they are, though I'd like to see them put much more effort into not hitting civilians) then those poor people are being destroyed by two groups either side of them with no where to go to escape.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I'd defend hamas every day of the weak if it's what it takes to fight fascism and genocide. But I'm not. You are defending fascism and genocide though. Israel killed 10 times more civilians than hamas, and numbers are still counting.