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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (6 children)

I'm violently against every attempt to try and weaken e2ee. In my mind doing so would be equivalent to telling people they're no longer allowed to meet in private and have one on one discussions.

There's just this one issue with this that causes some doubt for me. CSAM. Yes, think about the childer and so on, I know.. This is however still a real issue that I have personally encountered multiple times. I use certain encrypted platforms to chat with strangers anonymously and there's a significant userbase there spreading this content. And I don't mean provocative instagram pics but the kind of content that leaves you with zero doubt about what you just saw.

Do we just accept this uncomfortable trade-off? Obviously there are other ways for these people to get caught aswell than monitoring their private discussions which in my mind is kind of even worse than what they're doing (unless they're creating that content aswell) but it's just a fact that if the conversations truly are 100% secure then there's nothing that's going to stop this behaviour. I guess there's nothing stopping them from meeting face to face and trading printed physical photos aswell but I don't know.. This feels different and I'm really struggling to figure out how I feel about that.

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Criminals will always find a way. Make a surveillance state, and they'll just break the law and use encrypted communication anyway. Might even hide data in other data if necessary.

That said, I'd wager that there are quite a few of those communities hidden in plain and unencrypted sight (discord, fediverse, etc.), but they just keep it small enough to not be found (The ones on discord did get found out eventually, but probably just moved platform). So the question would aris: why do these exist when we apparently have the resources to monitor EVERYONE given the chance?

Best you can do is to report communities and places where it runs rampant to the relevant authorities. That's much more efficient than the authorities having to make privacy-violating laws and crawl the net themselves.

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