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[–] [email protected] 73 points 10 months ago (7 children)

We're maintaining and developing OpenVMS OS, and both we and our customers need Cobol, Fortran, and other half-dead languages coders.
Many large companies maintain their old systems and use them for production or data processing purposes. Sometimes it's too expensive to migrate off, but im many cases "it just works"

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Isn't pretty much all airport scheduling based off software from the 80s or something?

Edit: Found a video about it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Why change what isn't broken, right?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I've worked in that area. It was broken back in the 90s and I doubt the crusty old parts of the system have gotten any better. I was tasked with writing a more modern wrapper for part of the legacy system, and when I asked for documentation I was told they had literally nothing to give me.

I was just an intern at the time so maybe someone with more clout could have gotten sometime to dig in a forgotten closet for old technical docs, but it still strikes me as a very bad sign when technical docs for a system every agent uses all day every day aren't immediately available on the company's intranet.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Probably! APOLLO and SABRE and stuff look ancient.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I know for sure several airports are using OpenVMS, and there are more we don't know about, as some companies keep running yheir stuff for decades not asking anyone for support.
And I'm sure There are multiple other old systems out there, it's too hard to replace them.
And they work! Our VMS stuff runs great, it's fast, and the uptime is measured in decades sometimes. So the problem is hardware: we rolled out the first production x86 version this year, so our users are fine (it's still an issue of porting your software, but it's not as terrible as building everything from scratch), but before that OpenVMS could run on Itanium servers at latest, and the platform was dying off since the beginning of 2000s, so it is a problem to find a normal replacement machine now.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

And in many cases if it gets replaced it's for a system that looks fancier but actually has more problems than the original... See Phoenix for the Canadian government employees pay.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've seen those postings and some executive is living in dreamland thinking they can hire someone to do that for $25/hr.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (3 children)

My bosses tried to ask me if I knew anyone the could hire for a full time position at a hospital. I ask for more details and eventually they relent because they aren't having any luck on indeed/craigslist/temp recruiter.

It's a 24 hour on call position for 'up to' $55,000 to be the sole IT staff for a 100 bed hospital in upstate NY.

I literally laughed at them, but they seem to insist they are gonna find someone to take the job.

I actually think the job isn't even legal as described.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago

Hahahaha, what a joke.

Sorry, not interested in 24hr on call until they start talking $100k+. That's asking a lot of someone.

Sounds like they need multiple staff, actually. You can't do on-call without having a rotation. What happens if Bob gets hit by a bus? This tells me all I need to know about them. Typical SMB "leadership", they lack any concept of managing systems - be it IT, finance, mechanical, whatever. All systems have their management models.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

Fucking delusional pricks.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

With those requirements I would expect $500k with 6 weeks paid leave. What a bunch of clowns.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You mean I can use my decades of Fortran knowledge somewhere?! If I could get a wfh position in about 3 years, that'd be awesome.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If you actually do have decades of fortran experience, work for NOAA. Their weather models are mostly fortran and they need engineers. Specifically the NOAA EPIC contract that i worked on previously definitely needs people knowledgeable in fortran and was 100% work from home. Feel free to DM me if you want more details.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

both we and our customers need Cobol, Fortran, and other half-dead languages coders

Visual Basic? (fingers crossed)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I'm sorry man. I don't know everything, I'm working there less than a year, but I only heard of VB a couple of times. In order of popularity it's like: C, C++, Java, then everything else

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I was just kidding - I haven't touched Visual Basic in almost 20 years now. I'm not sure I could still code in it even if I wanted to.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Such things make me angry. LoL

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It can be viewed as a success. A bridge or building that only lasts five years wouldn't be considered successful, especially if it took monumental effort to make it in the first place. For some reason, we don't value that in software.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

I wrote a Classic ASP app in 1999 that placed a web UI atop a mainframe application that dated to the late '70s and allowed easy navigation of really enormous data structures. I learned last year that it's still in use at that company; amazing not just because my code is still around but because that fucking mainframe code is still running.