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[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I think Antifa actually started in the UK even before the Nazi's. Eh actually not but they did fight against fascists in the UK as early as 1930.

The reason why we need antifa and why it's hated by the mainstream is because the establishment is notoriously bad at stopping fascism. There is a long history of it. So besides liberal antifa that uses legal means like suing the KKK out of existence, the autonomous antifa is actually needed for the continued working of our democracy.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Antifa (Antifaschistische Aktion) under that name started in 1932 as action by the KPD to organise widest possible front against the nazis, in the face of SPD as a party being very reluctant to act against nazis. Many SPD members did joined, but as we know, their own party in reichstag made that futile.

Of course antifascist resistance is about as old as fascism or even older considering protofascists activity even before Mussolini coined the term, but the name itself is from 1932 KPD.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Afaik, the first Antifa were a coalition of left wing groups in Italy fighting fascists in the 1920s. They didn’t necessarily use the term but they were the first active anti-fascists so that counts in my book 🤷

As a side note, they were left to fight both the fascists and the royalists alone, since the Italian Liberals refused to get involved until it was clear who would win and then joined the fascists.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think that is the lesson, liberals do not effectively fight against fascism because they are too desiring of orderly and calm and polite politics and too much powered by economic interests (bourgeois). So we actually rely on antifa as a social force. Neither the state nor the liberals will fight against it. At least that is my limited understanding of it, since this is never discussed about in mainstream media.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

liberals do not effectively fight against fascism because they are too desiring of orderly and calm and polite politics and too much powered by economic interests

Absolutely 100% correct.

So we actually rely on antifa as a social force.

We need to, yes.

Neither the state nor the liberals will fight against it.

Right you are again!

At least that is my limited understanding of it, since this is never discussed about in mainstream media.

Seems to me you understand it perfectly but yeah, the mainstream media is for-profit and owned by billionaires who are often friends with or at least have common interests with the fascists, so they have very logical, if despicable, reasons to be hands-off about it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

But the shorthand and pronunciation Anteefa seems to be relatively new. I don't recall the specific word before 2016.