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Politicians constantly talk about stopping the illegal immigrants that are coming from Mexico, but putting a wall has never and will never be a solution since the reason why so many displaced keep coming across the border is mostly to escape the crime, corruption, inequality, and violence of they have to live in their home countries. The worst part is that most of these terrible things is that happen in third world countries are rooted in constant subversion by developed countries, primarily the US. I feel like since we caused this (even if in part) we should help stop it now, even if we didn't publicly admit guilt to save face.

So, how do we do it? Do we straight up invade Mexico and go on a full out war against the cartels like we did against Osama Bin Laden?

If not, why not? And, is there anything that can be done?

I would like to keep things civil. Please, let's keep this respectful as I know this is a tough issue and there is anger on both sides of this issue.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago (5 children)

No. Regulate and offer known recreational drugs pure.

Very few people take fentanyl on its own or intentionally. Even tranq (which I hadn't heard of but just looked up) is primarily harmful because it's often tainted with fentanyl or other potent yet potentially fatal additives. Fentanyl does not need to be legally sold, because there is no real market for it.

Hell, even fucking weed is tainted, primarily with silica-based desccants, in countries where it's still illegal (*cough* UK *cough*).

However if people could get pure, laboratory tested recreational drugs then these issues could disappear overnight. Heroin is bad when you fall deep into addiction, but most heroin users wouldn't get into that state if they could take the drug legally without taboo or victimisation of illicit dealers. 100 years ago opium dens were a thing, and there were some people deep in the poppy - but there were also people just as deep in their alcohol suffering worse. Alcohol is less of a problem today, and back in the 90s there was a study funded by DARE (and subsequently unpublished because they didn't like the results) that determined most heroin users were in fact business men and women earning large salaries with enough income to support their habit with high quality product.

Just like digital piracy is a service problem, drug addiction is a societal mental health problem, and criminalising it only allows the problem to fester to extremes.


Decriminalise possession, keep supply of the most fatally harmful drugs illegal, legitimise and tax known recreational drugs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

But if you legalise all drugs, as you say, no one will want to use shit like fent at all. Fent was legal for decades, it’s older than most opioids. It wasn’t an issue until the crackdown on pills.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think possession of any drug should be legal. However, the intent behind its use can still be illegal. If you have fentanyl and can demonstrate you only have it for some genuine use, and aren't looking to cause harm with it, then that shouldn't be a problem. Supplying fentanyl is much more likely to be a harmful circumstance, and its supply should be controlled.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Imo spending the effort to educate people instead of cracking down on sellers or producers makes much more sense.

In a world with clean accessible morphine, no drug user will seek our fentanyl, no matter how easy it is to find.

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