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I mean, jacked up prices, lots of anti-consumer crap, questionable ethical practices in foreign markets...
What’s the ethical alternative?
Don't fanboi over any one system/supplier/etc. Really all you can do. There's no perfect brand, OS, etc. There's better choices, but no clear winner.
ITT: Second hand Lenovo Thinkpad X240 with Coreboot and Arch Linux
Is Lenovo really any better?
It is not. There is no ethical alternative. There is no universally superior operating system. Make your own choices based on your own needs and don't listen to fanbois.
Eh, I like my work issued Ryzen 5000 Thinkpad more than I’d like to admit but the M series MacBooks are so much better it’s not funny. Everything you do on one is pretty much instant, the screen is gorgeous, it’s silent, and the battery lasts forever. The hardware is definitely several grades above the Lenovo.
The OS, you’re right, use what you like. Windows and macOS both have advantages and disadvantages.
Lets break this down shale we. But I'm going to pull the rug from under you right from the start with the anti-consumer practices. I don't know how you've managed to get on Lemmy, presumably because you had a Reddit account, yet somehow navigated around all the Apple anti-consumer practices. I'm not even going to go into it, but, I will link you to someone who's a far better representative of this, as he's actually spoken to this. https://www.youtube.com/@rossmanngroup I recommend watching the "Lobbying at legislature" about the right to repair. Should give you a good start. From there, I suggest watching other videos of his, especially regarding Apple products and the lengths they go to so you cannot repair your device.
You owning an Apple device... means you use software (as one would with any computer). Right now, I could open up Visual Studio and knock out an app that'll work on Android, Linux, or Windows. Reasonably would cost me nothing to create and distribute. But if I want to do something in Mac, I have to spend a lot of money just to get the app in that eco system, let alone actually compile and test it. So you owning an Apple device, despite you thinking you found a glitch in the system, are actually getting money to Apple. You actively pad active user engagement numbers that gets used to try to sway developers to support a terrible ecosystem. Here's a game developer summing it up in a YT short https://youtube.com/shorts/qRQX9fgrI4s?si=1JX49W8WEBUkU7_c
I mean, I generally I wouldn't be actively supporting/defending a company who's products are made with sweatshop/slave labor that had to install anti-suicide net to try and stop people from jumping out windows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides#Foxconn_clients but hey, you do you.
Take your pick as to why people both on Reddit and Lemmy aren't super stoked about Apple products.
Wait, isn't this you?
Rules for thee, but not for me it seems eh. I do not apologize because you feel "personally attacked" because I pointed out, with links to Apples anti-consumer behavior, to Apples predatory behavior with developers, and Apple having to address the suicide/slavery. That's on you.
None of them are squeaky clean. No company is anywhere. But I can go into say Microcenter, and pick parts from various brands, they all work together and I can build a computer I'm happy with in the end. Something literally impossible with Apple products.
Then you need a Chromebook. Or could use Linux. But unless your spoofing your user agent, everyone you connect to with on a browser, absolutely knows where it came from. It's not like, if I don't sign in with a Microsoft account, all of a sudden I'm going to pull a fast one on Steam.
So your aware of the issues, ignore them and then use a straw-man argument. The slave labor being used in Apple is fine because... Windows... Ok.
Nope. I re-read my post, unsure where you go that from.
Right, fuck me, I provided sources from various people. Clearly a bad look because I did research and presented evidence to my argument. And you think your on the moral/ethical high ground here, especially after you clearly are unbothered by the slave labor. But I need to be worried about my look to.. who exactly? Apple? You? Who exactly do I need to ensure I have a "good look" for?
The thing about used macbooks is that you don't know if the drive is trashed. If the SSD dies, it will take the whole machine down, and you can't even boot with an external drive because the "Bios" is stored on the SSD. So the machine is bricked.
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It could be a year or two until failing, who knows. People that do heavy video and audio edits tend to wear those drives faster than everyone else due to the high number of reads and writes. Also, how many times can you swap the machine under warranty? And how many years do you intend to keep yours? A repair out of warranty may be the cost of a new machine, and those are really expensive, not to mention the downtime you'll have to get the swap done.
Mine, a top of line Dell notebook with 32Gb of RAM and 2Tb SSD, lasted about ten years of heavy audio and video work, with a quick and cheap SSD swap in between to keep it going. Easy repairs and little downtime is pretty important to me, but that's just me.
Those are just factors that I think should be considered, and I saw a bunch of colleagues that did not thought about it, and sailed through rough spots waiting their machines to be fixed. It may be your case, or may be not.
Agreed, seems like your use case is different than mine. Thanks for the reply, merry Christmas!