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Gonna try to phrase this an inflammatory way:
People who like bad movies have been conditioned by consumerism to not appreciate art. They believe spectacle, humour, and a tight plot are 'good enough', and they don't value thoughtfulness, novelty, beauty, or abrasiveness nearly enough. Film is more than a way to fill time and have fun. Film is more than an explosion, a laugh, and a happy ending.
On an unrelated note: Mad Max: Fury Road is one of my favourite movies.
What would you consider a "bad movie," because I wouldn't consider a "tight plot" one of their shared features. Spectacle: absolutely, humor: frequently, tight plot: if only.
Many Marvel films, for example, are actually competently written plot wise. I also believe lots of them have basically no value.
I wouldn't agree that Marvel films have a competent plot, but maybe that's because I generally struggle to follow the plot through all the other crap, and am left wondering "was that a plot hole or did I space out during all the explosions and miss a critical line of dialogue?"
They've been using the same plot outline for the whole series so they surely have it sorted by now.
Marvel hasn't has a competent plot since infinity war, even then there was a lot of decline starting to happen.
I see you've met my wife. Transformers is the pinnacle of cinema, but 12 Angry Men is boring as fuck because all they do is talk.
It's strange that you said that and then said you liked fury road. I thought fury road was the epitome of spectacle and production value with actual value.
I added that to sort of admit my own hypocrisy; I tried to exaggerate my opinion a bit for the sake of spurring discussion. I mostly believe what I said, but my real thoughts are much messier and less well thought out.
As they should be!
I explain it like this: people assume beer is one product but most economists actually study it as two distinct products: mass production beer and craft beer. They actually behave like two separate markets. People like each for very different reasons. And consumer behavior is very different around both.
That's how I feel about Film and Movies. We may watch them both on a screen, but other than that they are very different things. And you can like both! I love the MCU films. But I don't go expecting intellectual expositions.
I also love Dead Poets Society, Hidden Figures, and Argo. Let people like things. Let people like different things differently. It's OK.